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Janis Lewman
@janis-lewman
08/16/18 07:18:33PM
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Advice on old dulcimer


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Thank you both Kens.  I know she will have no idea of string gauge but that can be figured out with a micrometer.  Still have Dad’s old antique...or let local music shop figure it out.  Good reminder about the peg dope etc. for cantankerous fiddles.  A little goes a long way. I would be surprised if this one has 6.5 fret but that is something I use frequently.  

What I have never understood is what gauge to use.  Is it dependent upon the tuning or?

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
08/16/18 07:05:31PM
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Recording multiple tracks?


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Before I moved to Mac, I used a program from SouceForge called Audacity. It is a free download. I found it easy to use. If you do not have an audio interface for you computer you can get around using two microphones by using the overdub feature in Audacity. I do not think it gives as good a quality as recording with two microphones, but it is certainly a lot less expensive. Audacity is a free download and can be found here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/audacity/ After moving to OS from Windows, I now use Garageband and find that they are somewhat similar in how they operated.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

JenniferC
@jenniferc
08/16/18 12:00:48PM
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Recording multiple tracks?


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 Hi friends,  I'm looking for some technical information.  I have written a composition with two voices, a duet, I suppose, and I'd like to record it. 

Can anyone tell me a program to use to do this?  I'm interested in both sound and video recording. I use windows,  not mac.  And I'd like to not spend a fortune. 

Thanks for any help! 

Jennifer 


updated by @jenniferc: 08/17/18 01:59:30PM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
08/16/18 11:20:26AM
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Advice on old dulcimer


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Sorry I missed that you mentioned the 28" VSL. KenH's suggestion for strings is good. A 6.5 fret can be added if you don't have one and really want one.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/16/18 10:21:42AM
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Welcome Helena!
How very lovely that you found your dulcimer over Christmas in Berea Kentucky!

I suggest that you JOIN our Canadian Group here on FOTMD:

https://fotmd.com/b-ross-ashley/group/15/north-of-the-lakes

and then make a new discussion asking about anyone perhaps nearby you.  That group has not had any NEW discussions in a while, and I'm sure if you post there the Canadian group members will see it and jump in to greet you!

(note that you will only see the replies to discussions in a group after you JOIN the group and are a member there.  Use the JOIN button on the group's main page)

hstulips
@hstulips
08/16/18 09:46:15AM
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Hi I am Helena and I am a newbie. I found my dulcimer in Berea Kentucky at Christmas dance school week. I had been looking for an instrument to play and I saw this one in the window. It was love at first sight and sound. I have just completed Dulcimer University in North Carolina so at least now I can play a little. But I need help. Anybody now of some Canadian players and how I can reach them? Thanks

 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/16/18 07:06:49AM
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Advice on old dulcimer


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Wooden tuning pegs may indicate that the instrument does not have a 6+ fret. Do you actually USE the 6+ fret (like every other time you sit down and play), or is it just there because everyone around you has it?  Yes it can be added, sometimes even at a festival; it's not usually very expensive (less than $50).

KenWL gave you a great list of things to look at and for and report back to us.  If it were me, I'd purchase a bottle of "peg dope", which may help with those tuners. 

Ask your friend to show you how to tune using those tuners; you don't just turn, but sorta turn-and-push.

With an "approximate 28" VSL, I would just go buy a set of dulcimer strings with gauges around .010, .012. .020. 

 

Janis Lewman
@janis-lewman
08/15/18 10:35:34PM
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I guess I need to see whether it has the 6.5 fret.  Duh!  If not, is that something that can be added?  I think the price will be reasonable - likely around $100 or maybe less.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
08/15/18 09:11:52PM
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Hi Janis. Here a few things to look for: no separation of joints, a flat fret board, and length between the nut and bridge (VSL). Tuning pegs can be replaced if they don't work. My guess is that the ones on this dulcimer may need a little adjustment after 30 years. If those are the original strings on the dulcimer, they will need to be replaced. If your friend does not know the gauge of the strings a stringed instrument repair person should be able to use a micrometer to measure them for you. There may need to be an adjustment in the action (height of strings above the fret board if they are too high or low. The reason I mentioned VSL above is how far you need to stretch to make chords. If you do not play chord/melody style VSL is not a problem. Smaller hands work better with a shorter VSL.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


updated by @ken-longfield: 08/15/18 09:17:59PM
Janis Lewman
@janis-lewman
08/15/18 09:00:54PM
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A long-time friend has been downsizing her collection of mountain dulcimers - the usual, thought it would be good thing to play but never happened.  She has probably had it at least 30 years and is down to one and knows I have been contemplating purchase of a second MD.  I've not yet seen it, but would like to have 'gut reactions', or things to consider or watch for.  Check it out, 'run', look for something newer like McSpadden or  Folkcraft, etc.?  Thanks for any advice.

Wood: cherry. Pegs: 'old' style; she said they are not geared tuners.  Maker: a local builder, now deceased.  Name is likely marked inside. VSL: approximately 28". Strings: "look old".  Case: none, apparently been sitting out (who knows where) but has a case from another dulcimer that should fit.  The other dulcimer was sold but she kept the case and thinks it might fit.  I have my old Bill Taylor, usually playing in DAD or DAC.  Since we sometimes play in DAG or DAA, thought was that a second dulcimer would avoid having to retune during gigs.  Any advice appreciated.

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
08/13/18 08:44:44PM
275 posts

Will donate student dulcimer to needy beginner


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The student dulcimer has found a home. Thanks everyone.

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
08/13/18 05:24:10PM
215 posts

Replacing the Nut on a Homer Ledford


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Your right about that.........I am keeping all of the old parts that need a bit of buffing up and so far as the nut is concerned I am trying to make sure that it does not crack or chip, any more than it already has.............I really do not think this one has ever been played or if it has not very much.  I did replace the strings since the ones on it were pretty much dead and left off those string adjustment hubs since they don't seem to do much other than put unnecessary strain on the strings.   I'll keep them off it for the time being, but will have them if for some reason they need to be put back on.   All in all there is not a scratch or ding on it. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/13/18 12:55:29PM
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Replacing the Nut on a Homer Ledford


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Just keep in mind that the more you do to change the original parts, finish, the original setup, or condition of that 'mint' Ledford, the less valuable it will become if you ever sell it.

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
08/12/18 10:06:52PM
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Replacing the Nut on a Homer Ledford


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I'll give that a try.  I did take a double edge razor blade and heated it up and slid it along the sides. I managed to free about 50% of the sides this way.  I suspect that it is glued across the bottom too.   In the mean time I am going to cut some new slots and set the strings equidistant and tune it "Galax style".   By the way, that great looking Galax that you featured last week is weighing on my brain.

Thanks.........

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
08/12/18 09:22:42PM
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Replacing the Nut on a Homer Ledford


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Maybe try a heat gun/hair dryer to warm up the glue on the ends?  Sometimes that will soften the glue.

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
08/12/18 07:31:32PM
215 posts

Replacing the Nut on a Homer Ledford


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I just received a beautiful, basically mint Ledford that needs to have the Bone nut replaced.  It appears that it has been firmly glued in place and does not want to budge.  Any ideas on how to best go about removing it?


updated by @salt-springs: 08/12/18 07:37:11PM
Grahame Hood
@grahame-hood
08/12/18 04:12:59PM
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Marc Bolan Dulcimer?


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I have just bought a new dulcimer on eBay which was built by Nick Odell of Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, Engand. It has a very short scale length, just under 23", nicely built but the finish is not great. It has no 6 + half fret. Nick was Marc Bolan's guitar tech and a repair label signed by him and dated July 1972 was used as provenence for a Gibson Les Paul guitar which was supposed to have belonged to Marc. Odell posted a reply on a guitar query website about 12 years ago but nothing else online. I have been in contact with various Bolan websites but no-one has got back to me. So, does anyone know if Bolan ever used a dulcimer on recordings or may just have owned one? Has anyone ever seen a photograph? It is quite a distinctive looking instrumenta and would be easy to identify. Has anyone ever seen another Odell dulcimer?

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
08/11/18 08:04:36PM
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I like what Strumelia said about using both, "TAB and by ear."

Example : This morning I decided to learn the song, "Old Folks at Home."
I picked it out by ear, using the one finger method.

Then I referenced Linda Collins book, "Beyond the Basics." I did this to quickly get the two and three finger chords. Beautiful chords.

Hey Richard my friend. This song sounds pretty dog gone good using the smaller bamboo noter. Me thinks me and the little noter are entering into an affair.
Richard Streib
@richard-streib
08/11/18 07:41:06PM
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Lois Sprengnether Keel:

I hope Lisa's blog is read.  Her call for respect is needed. 

Let's all play, whether by ear or in print, a chorus of Aretha Franklin's R-e-s-p-e-c-t.

 

The dulcimer produces such sweet music and it is versatile enough to be played in different ways.

I "amen" the appeal to respect others of our forum no matter their choice of playing style, use of TAB or SNM or memory.  Let's just all have fun and enjoy the dulcimer in the way that appeals to us and allow others the same without disrespect related to their playing method or style.

 

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
08/10/18 10:12:14PM
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I hope Lisa's blog is read.  Her call for respect is needed.  Possibly those trained classically are at a disadvantage because we have been trained to start with the written notation.  It doesn't mean the end result must be mechanical. 

Difficulty playing by ear also doesn't necessarily mean lack of trying.  Ditto memorization.  People have different learning styles and abilities. 

Frankly one of the things I have enjoyed here is the understanding there are so many ways to play and enjoy the dulcimer. 

I have loved awakening my ear in Ionian tuning.  I still need the security blanket of music for moments of uncertainty.  Mixolydian arrangements are beyond my ear at present other than snatches played repeatedly.    Those arrangements go beyond what I used to do playing guitar by chord and various strums.    Maybe some day I will be up to that, but right now I enjoy the freedom found playing my dulcimer.

Let's all play, whether by ear or in print, a chorus of Aretha Franklin's R-e-s-p-e-c-t.

 

Ray D
@ray-d
08/10/18 07:01:37PM
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Question about fret layout.


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Thank you all for answering my questions. This helps me out allot. nod

Noah Cline
@noah-cline
08/10/18 04:46:35PM
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Hello to all. I'm Noah. Though I'm better known for my banjo playing and building on Banjo Hangout and YouTube (I've been playing for about ten years and building gourd and mountain style banjos for about five), I've had much interest in the mountain dulcimer. I started playing dulcimer in 2015 on the first one I made, after deciding that instead of buying one I could probably make a decent one, since I had about 20 banjos under my belt at the time. To date, I've made four. My first was a 4-string (double melody) walnut/cherry hourglass, and after playing it for some time and deciding what I liked/didn't like, I made my second, a 3-string walnut teardrop, which is the style I've favored the most and built since. I have a few pics of these on my profile. 

I was aware that this site existed, but I completely forgot about it until stumbling upon it again and decided to join. 

Links to my BHO profile and YouTube channel:

BHO: http://www.banjohangout.org/my/Noah+Cline 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4zlsglpLMap5XSaUPaQ7QA?view_as=subscriber

 


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updated by @noah-cline: 08/10/18 04:53:39PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/10/18 11:24:29AM
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Question about fret layout.


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If a total beginner is told to 'count your frets' then they'd likely be including both the 6 and the 6.5 fret when counting-  thus thinking that the repeat octave is the C#.  Most beginners don't yet know that they should count EITHER the 6 OR the 6.5 fret when 'counting frets'.. but not count both.  I think it really helps to look at a picture:

dadtuningchart.jpg

Skip
@skip
08/10/18 10:43:11AM
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Question about fret layout.


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Count your frets. Fret 7 is the repeat octave of the open strings. You show the C# [DB] as the 7th fret and D as the 8th fret. You included the C and the C#. One is for the D scale [C#] and one is for the G scale [C]. The 6+ fret allows playing a D scale, in DAd tuning, starting at the open string instead of the 3rd fret. This is because the frets are placed in a series of steps/half steps. Steps are the wide spaces. Half steps are the narrow spaces.

G scale = 3-4-5-6-7-8-9

D scale = 0-1-2-3-4-5-6+


updated by @skip: 08/10/18 10:48:38AM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
08/09/18 11:43:34PM
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Question about fret layout.


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I see from my friends here you have received all the help you need on this issue. Enjoy your dulcimer. Have fun playing it. Anymore questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/09/18 11:12:49PM
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Question about fret layout.


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Ray D:

I have it tuned to DAD. When I fret the melody strings closest to me they progress down the fretboard E, G flat, G, A, B C, D flat, D. Does that sound right to everyone. I am new to the dulcimer and want to learn how to play. I  have attached a picture of my dulcimer if that will help.



It looks and sounds like your frets are fine.


I think people are making this more complicated than what you are asking and confused about.


The problem here is that on your D string the "G flat" note as you call it is more correctly called "F sharp"(F#).  And what you are calling "D flat" is actually called "C sharp"(C#).  The note half a step lower than G is usually called Fsharp, not G flat..though an F# & Gflat are both the same sounding note.   Likewise, the note a half step lower than D is more commonly called Csharp, not Dflat... yet both are the same 'sounding' note.  A glass of water which has water in it to the halfway (half fret) mark- is it called "half empty" (a 'flat' note) or called "half full"? (a 'sharp' note)- both describe the same amount of water (or the very same sounding note in this case).


It's easy to get this confused.  Also think of a clock that's at 3:30.  Is it 30 minutes past 3, OR is it 30 minutes to 4 ?  One can think of the halfway point really in two different ways.  So that note between C and D ...is it a C#, or a Dflat ?  In the key of D it's called a C#, because the key of D is defined as having two sharps in it: a C# and an F#.... and no flats.   dulcimer


So, your dulcimer string when tuned to D is in fact  correctly  fretted and is playing:  D(open string), E, F#, G, A, B, C, C#, and D.


updated by @strumelia: 08/10/18 09:05:01AM
Skip
@skip
08/09/18 10:59:49PM
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Question about fret layout.


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That doesn't sound right although in MD talk we express the notes in sharps.

You should have:(nut)D-wide space-(1)E-wide space-(2)F#[Gb]-narrow space-(3)G-wide space-(4)A-wide space-(5)B-narrow space-(6)C-wide space-(7)D. The spacing then repeats. Any frets not in this order are plus frets. You may be counting the 6 1/2 (6+), getting the D scale, then your list is ok.

The MD fretboard is laid out in such a way to make the open scale of a D tuned string as being in the mixolydian mode of the key of G. This layout places the starting note of the ionian mode, used to name the strings key, on the 3rd  fret. So if you check the notes from there up you will see the notes are in the order of the key of G: G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G.

 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/09/18 10:53:11PM
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Question about fret layout.


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Hi Ray,  welcome to our wacky but wonderful world.  I've included a link to my article "I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?  which is an illustrated glossary (so we all talk the same way about the same things) as well as answers to many beginner questions about tuning, playing, care and feeding of your new "friend".

First thing is, we talk about going "up" the fretboard (not down) because the notes go up in pitch as you move from the tuning head towards the tail end.

Second thing is, we usually write DAd rather than DAD.  DAd reminds us that the bass string is tuned to D, the middle drone is tuned to A, and the melody string (closest to you) is tuned to d -- an octave higher in pitch than the bass D.

Third thing is that your dulcimer has what we call a 6+ or six-plus fret.  There is also a 13+ fret.  There's a long explanation that I won't go into here, but when you count fret numbers (when playing from tabulature for example), on your dulcimer you would count -- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6+, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13+, 14, 15, 16

Fourth thing is that your dulcimer has 4 strings -- a "doubled melody course" as we say.  Lots of people take off one of the two melody strings to make things simpler, especially when you're just starting out.

If you are tuned DAd, this is sometimes called a Mixolydian tuning, and the scale starts at the open (un-fretted) note.  That note is d.  The first fret is e, then f#, g, a, b, c', c'#,d'...  

If you tune to DAA, then the scale starts at the 3rd fret, with d, e, f#, a, b....

A lot of players pay no attention to the letter designations (A, C#, Db, etc.) they "play by number" pressing fret 3, fret 4, fret 6 as called for by the song.   You don't have to know about chords (although a lot of people will tell you that you really should) -- you can play traditionally by picking out the melody on the melody string (nearest to you) and just letting the other two string drone.


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Ray D
@ray-d
08/09/18 08:43:30PM
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Question about fret layout.


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Hi everyone. I am new to this forum. I have a question about fret placement on my dulcimer. My dulcimer was a kit I found in a thrift store. I have it tuned to DAD. When I fret the melody strings closest to me they progress down the fretboard E, G flat, G, A, B C, D flat, D. Does that sound right to everyone. I am new to the dulcimer and want to learn how to play. I  have attached a picture of my dulcimer if that will help.


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Eileen
@eileen
08/09/18 06:24:41PM
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Frame Drums


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Yes, it does indeed.  Have you read Layne Redmond's book When Drummers were Women (or is it When Women were Drummers)?.  How about you?  Have you been playing?  So far we're starting to learn the middle eastern rhythms (Ayoub, Baladi, Chiftiteli etc) and some of Marla Leigh's and others' tutorials.  As you said, lots of material available. What have you been learning/doing with yours? (Always looking for ideas!)

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/09/18 06:12:20PM
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Frame Drums


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Eileen, I think that is SOOOOO wonderful that you started your OWN group of women to learn frame drumming together.  What could possibly be nicer??  I know that the tradition of women frame drummers goes back to very ancient times.

I imagine that the spirits of women from many different times and cultures are looking down on your little group with smiles and full hearts.  red drummer

I wish you would take a photo of your group and post it here!


updated by @strumelia: 08/09/18 06:12:41PM
Eileen
@eileen
08/09/18 05:59:29PM
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Frame Drums


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Hi again after quite the long absence.  Wondering how you've done with your frame drum?  This summer, 3 women and I have formed a little "learn-frame-drumming" group and we're all loving it.  Youtube is our teacher!  So far we all have smallish basic remo tars/frame drums.  I'm going to check out a darbuka today (kijiji).  Another big learning curve for sure.  There is so much more to this than one would have expected - after the first Doum-Tek_Ka lessons!

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/09/18 03:47:16PM
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Here's what I wrote in my blog about the Tab vs. By Ear debate nine years ago:

https://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2009/04/tabis-it-bad-or-good.html

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
08/09/18 02:53:02PM
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It's really nice to be able to play by ear, not a "slave" to tab. But the main question is: Who's having fun? Hopefully, everyone. I've only been to two dulcimer jams, and that was in my 1st year of playing. I'll tell you what's what. I've never seen such a large group of people having so much fun. And 90% were looking at tab while playing. Do it your way.


updated by @terry-wilson: 08/09/18 04:20:59PM
Bill in NM
@bill-in-nm
08/09/18 02:33:44PM
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One of the peculiarities I see among many of the others in my dulcimer group is an over-reliance on tablature. They are slaves to it. They don't hear the music -- they only play the notes. I play by ear primarily, and if I can't quite get it, I go through the tabs note by note. I play a lot of chords and link them with melody notes where possible. More and more often I actually look up at the standard musical notation rather than the tabs. There's a lot of information there.

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. . . . Bill in NM

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/09/18 10:21:51AM
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Geckostar, the way I get these kinds of wanted items is that I set up a 'saved search' on Ebay that will send me an email alert the moment something with my key words pops up for sale.  I've gotten very lucky using this method to get particular instruments I was hoping for, a couple of times!

BTW... welcome to FOTMD!  frog

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