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Matt Berg
@matt-berg
09/19/18 07:39:52AM
105 posts

Sound Hole Placement


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One thought to add, before deciding whether or not an instrument sounds good, try a few instruments.  If possible, listen to it in a jam.  Unless you have a very well trained ear (or the instrument is very bad or very good) it is hard to judge an instrument's sound in isolation.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/18/18 11:11:39PM
2,157 posts

Sound Hole Placement


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Are you looking to buy or build?  If you're looking to buy, do so based on what the dulcimer sounds like, not so much what it looks like.  Buy from a reputable builder, not some cheap thing you see on Ebay.  If you see something you like, ask us about the builder and we'll tell you what you know.  If you see an ad and the seller can't tell you who the builder is, there's a good chance you don't want to buy the instrument.

If you're looking to build your own dulcimer, the vast majority of us who build put soundholes symmetrically in the widest part of each bout.  It's a matter of the science of acoustics. You can bend a lot of the 'laws' of science but the results are not necessarily a good thing.   Single hole dulcimers are not particularly prevalent for a reason.  

You said "...near the nut side...".  The nut is at the head end of the dulcimer; there isn't any "nut side".  There is a head, a tail, the near side (closest to you) and the far side (furthest from you).  


updated by @ken-hulme: 09/18/18 11:14:09PM
Dulci Clan
@dulci-clan
09/18/18 08:42:39PM
7 posts

Sound Hole Placement


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I just saw a four string with one hole today near the nut side but not quite! So confusing to choose when just starting out.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/18/18 07:42:14PM
2,157 posts

Sound Hole Placement


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There's a real complicated formula for the area of  sound holes, but 3-4 quarters worth is a good amount for the average dulcimer.  Bigger instruments can go more, of course.

As far as placement of the sound holes, again there are formulas, and location does effect the sound.  You don't want them in the ends or near the sides or fretboard.  Ideal location is half way between the fretboard and the edge, at the widest point of each bout.  Bouts are the rounded sections of course.  An hourglass has two bouts, upper and lower. A teardrop or elliptical has just the one bout.  Rectangular or trapezoid shapes can have 4 soundholes about a third of the way in from either end.

There are always exceptions -- the Tennessee Music Box for example often had a line of holes from head to tail nearer to the fretboard than the edge.  I've seen dulcimers with no soundholes in the top, but a line of holes in the side on the audience  side of the instrument.  I saw one where the builder hadn't gotten the idea of the possum board right, and had cut soundholes in the inner bottom and possum board itself!

Kusani
@kusani
09/18/18 06:03:07PM
134 posts

Sound Hole Placement


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Didn't Ken at one time recommend total area of the sound holes be about the equivalent to the area of four quarters, or was it two? Presently I am working with the 4 quarter equivalent and the instruments have a very good sound; my customers are very pleased. 


updated by @kusani: 09/18/18 07:05:06PM
Dan
@dan
09/18/18 05:50:36PM
207 posts

Sound Hole Placement


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You are gunna' get a lot of differing opinions to "sound" effect by varying placement . I won't respond to that but will tell you the size is very important. Too much or too little can have an effect on tonal quality.

DAN

www.dulcimore.com

Dulci Clan
@dulci-clan
09/18/18 03:40:34PM
7 posts

Sound Hole Placement


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Hi everyone, new here, thanks for having me.

In researching dulcimers, I'm seeing holes placed in different places, could be one each near the nut and bridge, both near the nut, both near the bridge, or four - two on the nut side, two on the bridge side. Does the placement of the sound holes affect the sound? Can't tell where there are so many different shapes and places they can go.


updated by @dulci-clan: 10/09/25 11:45:04AM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/18/18 03:18:08PM
1,345 posts

Cantilevered Tail/Bridge


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Here is a photo of the cantilevered fret board on the first dulcimer I built. I only made two like this.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


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Brian G.
@brian-g
09/18/18 12:31:51AM
94 posts

What's your favorite mournful, spooky, or lonesome song to play?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Jan Potts:

A similar idea, but no, the one I'm looking for is definitely "October is a Gypsy Lass". I've found it in a couple spots online, but no one ever says who wrote it...either the words or the music.

Hi Jan,

Did you ever find any more info on October is a Gypsy Lass?  I'm very curious about it also. I know it only by these words (and did not know it was even a song - I thought it was "just" a poem):


October is a gypsy lass

Who dances through our town

Scarlet is her flying scarf

Many-hued her gown

On her dusky hair she wears

A crown of bittersweet

Maples spread a golden carpet

For her dancing feet


 

Tumbleweed
@tumbleweed
09/17/18 10:56:57PM
27 posts

What's your favorite mournful, spooky, or lonesome song to play?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Any of Hank Williams' slow songs for mournful and lonesome. Fugue in D minor for scary
Webb
@webb
09/17/18 09:08:20AM
6 posts

Cantilevered Tail/Bridge


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thanks for the responses. I might have to give it a try.

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/16/18 05:42:59PM
2,416 posts

Remember Our Friend Oliver Ogden.


OFF TOPIC discussions

I was just thinking of our FOTMD member Oliver Ogden who passed away a while back.

It was nice to look over his fotmd photos and see him happily playing with his FOTMD friends.

https://fotmd.com/oliver-ogden

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/16/18 05:36:29PM
2,416 posts

Healthy Living- healthy eating, exercise, weight loss, veggie gardening, etc.


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Ok, we are now officially sick and tired of fresh tomatoes for the year.   dancetomato  dancetomato  dancetomato  dancetomato  dancetomato  dancetomato  dancetomato  dancetomato

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/16/18 02:35:52PM
1,345 posts

Cantilevered Tail/Bridge


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The first dulcimer I built (back in 1974) has a cantilevered fretboard. I used plans made by Joseph Wallo who worked at Weaver's Violin Shop in Washington, D.C. I made the fretboard from three pieces of wood and after 44 years of constant tension the on the strings (mostly in DAA tuning) there is no curling of the fretboard. Although this is not the largest dulcimer I own, it is the loudest. The top vibrates as well as the back but not as much as the back. I thought I had some photos I could easily find, but I don't. I'll try to take a few and post them for you.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/18 01:31:31PM
1,857 posts

Cantilevered Tail/Bridge


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi @Webb.  You might find David Beede's demonstration of his "decoupled" tailpiece to be interesting. I am not a builder myself, but I find the difference in tone that he gets to be truly dramatic.

Webb
@webb
09/16/18 01:22:15PM
6 posts

Cantilevered Tail/Bridge


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


I am interested in luthiers and players a like opinions/experience with cantilevered fretboards tail/bridge 

( made popular/exercised by Howie Mitchell and Keith Young ) compared to tail/bridge being in direct contact with the tail block. 

Pierre-Yves Donnio
@pierre-yves-donnio
09/15/18 02:28:25PM
9 posts

What's your favorite mournful, spooky, or lonesome song to play?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The Lover's Ghost (Child 248) as sung by Barbara Dickson, New Celeste or Pauline Scanlon

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
09/13/18 07:51:15PM
215 posts

What's your favorite mournful, spooky, or lonesome song to play?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

This is an absolute no brainer for me............"The Unquiet Grave" by Jean Ritchie..............you can hear her sing it here:

https://blogs.loc.gov/folklife/2017/10/ghost-stories-in-song-for-halloween/

 

It is such an easy tune to play.......btw, there are a few others by other artists there as well...........enjoy!

Bob
@bob
09/13/18 10:08:23AM
87 posts

Information about a Change of policy at McSpadden


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Not having any photos to refer to, I am guessing that Don O is right. Now, if they used Floating Bridges, it wouldn't be an issue (just pandemonium).

Don O.
@don-o
09/13/18 09:15:09AM
2 posts

Information about a Change of policy at McSpadden


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

It IS the bridge, not the string set. When they set up the bridge on their short scale instruments for DAd, they tilt it slightly for intonation compensation. 

This is a very significant move on their part, and an a knowlegement that DAd is the “new” standard. “New”, even though it’s been around since the 70’s!

billybobboy42
@billybobboy42
09/12/18 02:22:53PM
1 posts

What's your favorite mournful, spooky, or lonesome song to play?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Here’s two sad ones that, given the right mood, brings me to tears:

the Irish American song Maggie 

A tree in the Meadow as sung by Margaret Whiting

Clive Quinn
@clive-quinn
09/11/18 05:37:28AM
3 posts



I love traditional hearts and most of the dulcimers I build have them, but I also like to do custom inlay work so my most recent build has featured pearl sharks in the fret board and hammerhead shark sound holes.


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JTC111
@jtc111
09/10/18 11:41:10PM
3 posts

need a case for a 43" mountain dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

A good solution emerged. A luthier who I've bought a couple of guitars from offered to be the go-between with Ameritage so I could get his dealer discount. With the shipping the case will come in around $400 ...still a bit more than I wanted to pay but I own a few cases by Ameritage and they're very good.  I sent along a tracing and the padding will be form fitted to the dulcimer. My Edsel Martin is as much a piece of folk art as it is a musical instrument so I'm happy to have a case on the way that will give it the protection it deserves.

Thanks for the well-intended suggestions.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
09/06/18 06:26:25PM
1,565 posts

Show Us Your Pets!


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Wow, Salt, I'm happy all ended well!  

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/06/18 04:50:10PM
2,416 posts

Show Us Your Pets!


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Aw, I'm glad you got the snake out unharmed, @salt-springs !

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
09/06/18 04:41:58PM
215 posts

Show Us Your Pets!


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Don't you get a kick out of getting up in the morning and walking into the kitchen and finding the latest creature that the cat has brought in for your inspection?  A beautiful creature but one that can deliver a nasty bite if so inclined.  I took him/her out to the edge of the deck and let it go, it was not injured but not really happy either.

snake.jpeg snake.jpeg

robert schuler
@robert-schuler
09/03/18 03:10:43PM
258 posts

Hammered Dulcimer Hammers


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I recently made a set 9" that I really enjoy. I upped the length from 8" . The longer hammers add a bit more bounce. Different woods, lengths, weights. There's no end to finding the prefect hammer. But its fun... Robert

Steve Smith
@steve-smith
09/03/18 08:12:41AM
35 posts

Hammered Dulcimer Hammers


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I just measured my favorites, and the wood portion is 23-1/4 cm long. My backup hammers are 22-1/2 cm. We don't have any that are shorter.
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/03/18 07:25:04AM
2,157 posts

Hammered Dulcimer Hammers


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

A good "ballpark" length is something between 20 - 22 centimeters.  You alter the mass of the hammer by altering the thickness and width of the handles, heads and grips.

Nigel Caddick
@nigel-caddick
09/02/18 04:39:48PM
14 posts

Hammered Dulcimer Hammers


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Could somebody tell me what the total length of a standard hammer is please including handle and head? I know they vary but an about figure would be great, thanks Nige

tssfulk
@tssfulk
09/02/18 11:20:07AM
8 posts

Intermediates


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Regarding learning by ear vs. sheet music: This is a complex issue and both sides have their purpose.

I think that if you look at the oral tradition vs. printed books, you can see a parallel to learning music orally or by written sheet music. 

The oral tradition although it could be epic in length, used repeated rhythm and rhyming patterns to help people learn the story/poem/legend/etc. Written words allowed authors to break away from those patterns to produce more complex written styles. Although not impossible, it would be hard to memorize a novel by Tolstoy or James Joyce. 

I play in a symphonic orchestra, and cannot even imagine trying to learn a symphony by ear. Yes, it could be done, but it is much easier to read the music. When you have lots of different instruments and complex arrangements, sheet music allows competent musicians to play together without even having heard the music before.

A good classical musician will hear the written notes in their head while reading music. It's very internalized after years of practice. I've been playing my secondary instrument (euphonium) a lot at home the past year, but I noticed how my body doesn't react as instinctively as when playing trombone. With trombone I see the note, my arm moves without much conscious thought, my lips buzz the pitch and the sound comes out. With euphonium, my fingers aren't as automatic as my slide arm.  So although my lips are ready with the pitch, my fingers can get tripped up or delayed. LOL. The same should be with dulcimer playing, although dulcimer has the added complication of different modal tunings, so the brain and body need to learn them all.

When you look at the folks tales and folk songs versus books and classically written music. You see where the the author/composer's intent has little with the former, and each reteller/resinger creates a new version but within the tradition. The stories are songs are truly the people's. With books and symphonies, etc., you can interpret what the author meant or how the composer wished the music to be played. Even if readers and musicians can create their own interpretation of the works, the creator of the original is very much at the heart of the work.

Learning folk music should lean more heavily on the oral tradition (with the help of sheet music and recorded music for those that need it in the beginning), just as classical music should lean more heavily on the written tradition (with help from a good ear and hearing other musicians playing the piece).

When my first child was born here in Sweden, I started looking for American folk songs to sing to him. There were no American folk singers around in Örebro to learn from, so I ordered a book from the Internet, played the melodies on the piano and sang along. Then I started hunting the Internet (then via Napster LOL) for recorded versions of all the songs. I started singing without the sheet music (hard hold a music book while also holding a crying baby), using my ear to create my own version of the songs, mixing the various versions of lyrics and playing around with embellishments. So it was a mixture of sheet music at first for the new songs (or to refresh my memory for songs I heard/sang as a child) and then a healthy dose of playing by ear and experimentation. 

 

So neither side should look down upon the other. Great musicians can come from either tradition.

 

Tricia
@tricia
09/01/18 02:30:35PM
6 posts

Do you have a pre 1989 FolkRoots or CapriTaurus dulcimer (made by Howard Rugg)?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

No, I haven't. I don't have a way to record anything right now, but hope to organize something before long.

Patricia Delich
@patricia-delich
08/31/18 11:50:27PM
154 posts

Hearts Of The Dulcimer Podcast In Its 4th Year


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thanks Don! We take a lot of care in creating the podcast as well as the resource page for each episode, so we're happy you appreciate it!

 

Don Grundy: These Podcasts are the greatest! And their website gives additional details!

 

Patricia Delich
@patricia-delich
08/31/18 11:49:00PM
154 posts

Do you have a pre 1989 FolkRoots or CapriTaurus dulcimer (made by Howard Rugg)?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Awesome! Howard is a very dear man as well as a great builder.

Have you recorded yourself playing V'la le bon vent (chanson québécoise) on your dulcimer?

 

 

Tricia McDonald:

Hi Patricia, 

I am listening to that one now - thank you!

Tricia

 

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
08/31/18 11:31:53PM
188 posts

Hearts Of The Dulcimer Podcast In Its 4th Year


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

These Podcasts are the greatest! And their website gives additional details!
Patricia Delich
@patricia-delich
08/31/18 07:30:09PM
154 posts

Do you have a pre 1989 FolkRoots or CapriTaurus dulcimer (made by Howard Rugg)?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Hi Tricia,


So glad you found the podcast! You might be interested in hearing the episode with Howard Rugg, one of the co-founders of FolkRoots and CapriTaurus:  http://dulcimuse.com/podcast/resource/010.html


Those old FolkRoots dulcimers sound great ... you're lucky to have one!


Thanks for listening,


Patricia


 


 


Tricia McDonald:

I am seeing this some 2+ years later, but I'm delighted to find your podcasts are still available for listening. Thank you so much - this is wonderful ! I got my Folk Roots dulcimer from Elderly Instruments in Lansing, MI in 1986, and love it to this day. I'm really looking forward to listening to more of the podcasts over the next while. 



 

Tricia
@tricia
08/31/18 06:52:23PM
6 posts

Do you have a pre 1989 FolkRoots or CapriTaurus dulcimer (made by Howard Rugg)?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

I am seeing this some 2+ years later, but I'm delighted to find your podcasts are still available for listening. Thank you so much - this is wonderful ! I got my Folk Roots dulcimer from Elderly Instruments in Lansing, MI in 1986, and love it to this day. I'm really looking forward to listening to more of the podcasts over the next while. 

Patricia Delich
@patricia-delich
08/30/18 01:41:26PM
154 posts

Hearts Of The Dulcimer Podcast In Its 4th Year


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast - Episode 37
Golden Ring: A Gathering of Friends for Making Music

http://dulcimuse.com/podcast

 

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The 1964 LP Golden Ring: A Gathering of Friends for Making Music became one of the most popular recordings of the early folk music revival. In this episode, find out why Golden Ring was a groundbreaking album for the mountain dulcimer.

 

Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast can be found on most podcast apps.
Here's the link to Hearts of the Dulcimer on iTunes:  http://bit.ly/hotdpodcast

Don't use a podcast app or iTunes? You can listen to all the podcast episodes directly on our website:  http://dulcimuse.com/podcast


We also have a resource page for every episode, where you can find photos, videos, and song lists. Here's the resource page for this episode:  http://dulcimuse.com/podcast/resource/037.html

Thanks for listening! :-)

 

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