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Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
04/23/18 08:54:35PM
1,346 posts

How do i add my tunes...?


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?


I would be interested in hearing your music. So, yes. You need to follow the rules of which include the music must be in the public domain and you must perform it. Click on you name (it's in blue in upper right hand corner next to the search symbol. Just click on you name, not the drop down menu. You will find a button that says "Audio." Click on it and then on the + sign to add audio files. You can do that from either Soundcloud or a file on your computer. Choose the file and the click upload. Then click on "create." That should do it.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


updated by @ken-longfield: 04/23/18 08:56:46PM
jp
@jp
04/23/18 08:37:09PM
42 posts

How do i add my tunes...?


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?


i am still not sure of the functions of this site.... i am just learning as  i go so my question is....

can you upload your music on this site? if so would anyone like to hear a selection from my (out of print)

CD? a Hurdy Gurdy selection?  if so say yes and please tel me host to do it...

thank you.


updated by @jp: 10/27/19 12:02:25PM
Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
04/23/18 03:35:24PM
297 posts

Dancing!...(feet as instrument)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Ariane:

Strumelia - I very much enjoyed these dances - one does not often see such sensitive, elegant and "musical" (musikalisch) dancers.


Ariane, this video actually reminded me of my time in W Germany in the late sixties. Octoberfest, I think it was called. Large tents set up, lots of live music, dancing, and drinking brew. Fun time for a homesick GI.
Gordon Hardy
@gordon-hardy
04/23/18 11:24:04AM
30 posts

Dancing!...(feet as instrument)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...


Strumelia:

It's interesting to see that the two gents trade-off:  the fiddler has the back-striped vest and shorter hair.  The jawharp player has the all black vest and the long hair.  You can see that when he is playing the jawharp on the Walking Dance in the middle of the video, the fiddler (who is now dancing) tries several times with hand motions to get him to speed up the tempo, but he doesn't- so as a dancer watching this I can feel that the Walking Dance is a little uncomfortably slow, but the two dancers make the best of it anyway.  mrdance   The other two dances (with the fiddling) feel like comfortable tempos for dancing.


 


 


I was never been able to play a jaw harp as fast as I could tap my foot, because I was concerned about injuring my teeth and lips if the harp got away on me, probably because I didn't know what I was doing. This little dance video prompted me to go and dig out my old harp and twang for a bit. Good memories.


updated by @gordon-hardy: 04/23/18 11:26:17AM
Gordon Hardy
@gordon-hardy
04/23/18 10:06:29AM
30 posts

Dancing!...(feet as instrument)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Lisa, very interesting to see and hear the gent playing the Jew's harp or jaw harp or mouth harp. This is an "old fashioned" instrument that we seldom see anymore. Thank you.

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
04/23/18 09:52:17AM
297 posts

Dancing!...(feet as instrument)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Lisa, I loved it. Especially the Jews or Jaw Harp. What a beautiful setting....makes one "Want to go there."

Thanks for sharing.
Ariane
@ariane
04/23/18 06:01:31AM
50 posts

Dancing!...(feet as instrument)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Strumelia - I very much enjoyed these dances - one does not often see such sensitive, elegant and "musical" (musikalisch) dancers.

IRENE
@irene
04/21/18 02:07:09PM
168 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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When this is all done, I'd like to play that dulcimer with someone.  It's soooooo beautiful.  A rosette on the bottom like the design on the top would work very well and might even play a little louder. I do a lot of scroll work on my instruments....but the little darling hearts on the top are really tiny...I could do them, but maybe not as perfectly as those are done.  Ask Bob where he gets his lazer rosettes and maybe have one made the same as the top.  Keep us "in tune" (pun intended) to what you decide to do with that lovely dulcimer.  aloha, irene

Randy Adams
@randy-adams
04/21/18 10:59:04AM
125 posts



See... I admire and respect the builders who have gotten so good at building dulcimers, refined their craft if you will, and built demand and reputation to where they can charge enough to make a decent living. Their dulcimers are special.
Bob
@bob
04/21/18 08:56:43AM
87 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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Just a quick reply- If you finally come to the conclusion - after long research and consideration- that you must physically alter the instrument to access the repairs, I thing Irene's idea is excellent!!  Cut a very nice hole in the bottom of the dulcimer to access repair work and use your creativity in plugin the hole with something faithful to the design of the instrument (i.,e., a pretty rosette with hearts).

Many minds at work can achieve anything.

Matt Berg
@matt-berg
04/21/18 07:28:40AM
105 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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I see two issues with your repair.  The first is getting the glue to where you want it, the second is holding down the loose brace while the glue sets. 

Steady your nerves.

For the glue,  find a dentists mirror (Dollar Store, Harbor Freight, eBay) that will fit in a soundhole near the brace you want to glue.  Shine a small flashlight into the soundhole on the other side of the instrument.  This should allow you to see the loose brace.  Shape two curved pieces of wood that are long enough to reach the loose brace.  Use one to prop the brace away from the back far enough to insert glue.  Take the other and put a small enough drop of glue so that it stays on when you reach into the instrument to place the glue under the bridge.  Repeat until you believe enough glue is under the brace to hold it.  Pull out both pieces of wood.

Halfway home.

Fully insert the strongest of the shaped pieces of wood and flip it with a tweezer so that it  curves up with one end resting on top of the brace.  Take a dowel that fits through the sound hole and rest it on the wood piece.  Take a clamp and gently clamp down on the dowel until the brace is in place.

Walk away and let it sit for a couple days.

For better instructions, look up gluing a loose brace on stewmac.com.  They will show you how to do it on a guitar, which is easier because it has a larger body and a bigger soundhole.

Be patient, don't give up.

Jim Hedman
@jim-hedman
04/21/18 02:38:22AM
25 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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Thanks Bob and Irene.  I don't have a clue what the collector value of this Carstanjen would be.  It was sold at eBay auction and considering the current market, I probably paid too much for it.  But, I'd been looking for a courting dulcimer and this was about the coolest I've seen.  It's obvious issues (and the intonation problems were not obvious of course) scared off other bidders so I got it as the sole bidder at the opening price.  I've done what I could to coax life out of it and to this point all set up efforts have been reversible.  It has really nice voices on both sides.  I tuned one side DAdd, the other GEgg (i.e. baritone) with the thought that the baritone side E could optionally be dropped to a D for a "new ionian" D tuning.  As previously stated, the rattle can be pretty much avoided if picking or plucking is confined to the strum hollow.  So I'm not in a big hurry to get the job done and am quite willing to wait for some sound advice before dealing with my "resonater dulcimer" further - beyond playing it of course.

I've followed some some threads on John Maxwell dulcimers and its ironic how much I can empathize with the push and pull between obvious craftsmanship coupled with an intonation nightmare - especially now that I recently obtained a Maxwell myself.

I finally met a local player/builder/repairman that I will be meeting and I'm sure we'll put this Carstanjen through its paces as a duo.  This guy has built courting dulcimers and says the difference in single versus two players playing is incredible.

Matt Berg, has got me pondering if maybe a fix could be accomplished through the existing sound holes after all.  I've got some ideas but will hold them for now.  I hope he jumps in here again as I'm wondering what he had in mind.

IRENE
@irene
04/20/18 11:06:34PM
168 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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I loved reading all the write up of this man. wow.  It would be a shame to cut all those darling hearts out to make a round hole to fix the braces, but those braces can BUZZZZZ.  bummers. I'd suggest maybe a possible nice made heart UNDERSIDE of this beautiful instrument.  THEN fix the braces.  Best of all I'd follow Bob's suggestions.  aloha, irene

Bob
@bob
04/20/18 10:41:59PM
87 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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What an amazing and even historic instrument! And that seems like a big issue to fix. Just curious, Jim, have you talked to a professional instrument restorer?  A quick Google search discovered the Smithsonian Museum Conservation Institute  https://www.si.edu/mci/english/learn_more/taking_care/musinst.html

They can give you leads to conservators in various locations in the US and Canada. Not sure if it's financially feasible but they may have some good ideas for you.

Best wishes for your project.

~Bob

 

Jim Hedman
@jim-hedman
04/20/18 08:49:53PM
25 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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Thanks for the reply Matt.  "Thump testing" was telling me the braces are about three-quarters the way between the fourth and fifth fret on both necks (i.e. symmetrical, as one would expect).  I inserted a curved piece of insulated solid core wire through the large sound holes to feel along the underside of the top and found the braces just 1 3/4" from the center of the heart going toward the middle of the dulcimer body.  I did the same through the central "rosette" and got 3 3/4" for both braces.  This agrees with the "thump testing".

The two large hearts in the bouts are 25mm wide x 15mm "valley to valley" (1" x 9/16').  The small hearts both in the bouts and the central circle are 19mm x 11 mm (3/4" x 7/16").  The central rosette is 16mm in the widest dimension and is 12mm in the shortest (11/16" x 1/2").

Taking a stab at reading your mind, yes I can get an endoscope in there and I am thinking of getting one for this and other projects.  I was somewhat optimistic that the bout holes are such short distance away from potential access points.  But those sound holes would seem too limiting for the work that needs to be done - I think.  If you know better, clue me in - I'd rather leave the sound board intact.

The contemplated option of a circle cut around the central heart pattern would give me a 3 1/4" diameter access hole to work with.  Hell, I could get my hand through that to apply glue and install temporary force-fit struts between glued braces and the bottom.  I'd fashion a jig to temporally affix to the central sound holes that would in turn provide a pivot post for an arm fitted with a razor knife blade to do the cutting - so the cut would be less than 1/16 wide. I'd probably have to widen that cut a bit for the decorative binding circle that would dress up the sound hole disk when it was reinstalled. To spice things up I'm even contemplating installing an ivory colored O-Port in the large hole then press fitting the sound-hole disk into that. This should provide some awesome resonance.  The down-side is that this access hole cutting scheme involves non-reversible modifications that may have a detrimental affect on the instrument's collector value (if any).

I would entertain back removal, but as previously stated, this task appears daunting considering the dulcimer's size, shape and under-scroll shelves.  Here's a more complete set of "as found" photos that better describe what I'm up against. The file also includes some information regarding the builder.

Sorry for the long-winded post, but then again, I'm asking for information that goes well beyond a yes/no answer.


Mikael Carstanjen 1975 (comp).pdf - 2.7MB
Jan Potts
@jan-potts
04/20/18 08:13:19PM
403 posts



Hmmm...I own both Ron's and Bonnie's.  Maybe I should do a test.  I'd want to contact Ron Gibson, also, to see if he could tell me the original cost of his dulcimer, since I got it used.  My Bonnie Carol's are both used, too, for that matter, and they both sound great....and I prefer their sound to the Gibsons.  But, there again, is the preference for a particular sound that is so personal--and some days I don't even like the sound of my favorite dulcimers!  What's up with that?!

jp
@jp
04/20/18 12:46:47PM
42 posts

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no fiber washers... curved base of tuner, that fits into curved recess of headstock....

i hope i explained that right.

                                          

Kusani
@kusani
04/20/18 10:50:01AM
134 posts



"Robert: Most small builders like myself build as a labor of love for the dulcimer. I think I speak for other builders on this site when I say the compensation i get is seeing the joy people get from playing my dulcimers...Robert"

I agree completely.  And, I just can't charge a 'friend' customer for a dulcimer, I ask they make a donation to Habitat for Humanity based on the value I would have charged a 'stranger' customer. To me that makes it a 'win/win'. ....Harry

robert schuler
@robert-schuler
04/20/18 09:55:59AM
258 posts



It only takes $50 worth of wood to make the finest sounding dulcimer. The rest is care and craftsmanship. Dulcimer are the most grossly undervalued of all handmade stringed instruments.  BC dulcimer price reflects the true value if one were to build dulcimers as a business.

Most small builders like myself build as a labor of love for the dulcimer. I think I speak for other builders on this site when I say the compensation i get is seeing the joy people get from playing my dulcimers...Robert

Matt Berg
@matt-berg
04/20/18 05:46:18AM
105 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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Jim,

Could you be more specific on the location of the loose bracing?  Also approximation dimensions of the heart sound holes.

Jim Hedman
@jim-hedman
04/20/18 04:49:30AM
25 posts

Mikael Carstanjen 1975 Courting Dulcimer - Repair Question


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A while back I purchased a Mikael Carstanjen Courting Dulcimer.  It's what you'd call a "project dulcimer".  It had some intonation issues that I have successfully addressed.  But there is apparently some loose bracing and I'm somewhat at odds as to how to proceed.  The attached photo file should explain the past, present, and proposed future better than I can here.  I'm hoping for some feedback on what my best options are.   Thanks in advance!


Carstanjen Courting Dulcimer Repair (compress).pdf - 242KB

updated by @jim-hedman: 04/20/18 04:53:47AM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/19/18 10:28:00PM
2,157 posts




I do not believe shape has any impact on sound.  Interior volume, definitely.  But shape, no.  Not in any meaningful way that doesn't involve a lot of scientific sound analysis equipment.  

I have a standing offer of $200 cash for anyone who can pass my blind listening test -- a selection of 3 or more dulcimers of different shapes, playing the same tunes in the same way.  You will never see the instruments, only hear them, until the test is over.  All you have to do is correctly identify which shape is playing which tune at which time.  I've had people who swear they can tell one from another who somehow never seem to be willing to put this to the test, when push comes to shove.  


updated by @ken-hulme: 04/19/18 10:29:22PM
notsothoreau
@notsothoreau
04/19/18 09:08:30PM
46 posts



Do you think the shape has a big impact on the sound? My first dulcimer was a teardrop style (kit). The current dulcimer is an hourglass. From what I've listened to on You Tube, the teardrops tend to have more volume. But it could be that I am hearing more amplified teardrops than hourglasses. I do find the hourglass easier to carry.

notsothoreau
@notsothoreau
04/19/18 09:02:32PM
46 posts

Pick paranoia!


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I did get a V-Pick Bing ultra lite today. it's stiffer and I like it so far. I'm not convinced it's THE pick just yet, so will try a few more styles. I don't think I'd like a pick stiffer than this one.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/19/18 08:28:58PM
1,857 posts



@adrian-e,  I have a different approach to this.  

I strongly advise against spending a lot of money on an instrument until you've been playing long enough to discover your own preferences.  Some variables are more obvious than others.  The VSL, or vibrating string length, makes a difference mainly in how big the spaces are between frets and the sustain the instrument has.  Do you want an overlay such as ebony on the fretboard?  How wide should the fretboard be?  What kind of fret wire do you prefer?  How far apart should the strings be?  Do you want a wrist rest?  a bevel or place to rest your arm while you play?  Do you want a warm, mellow tone, or a brighter sound? Do you want a false bottom for more volume, or would you rather have less volume but be able to control it by muting the bottom on your legs?

You would be surprised how many small variables can make a big difference in how you (yes you, not me, because we are all different) play an instrument.  It took me a few years of playing to develop most of my preferences, but I am still refining certain issues like how far apart I want the strings.  Some of that can be adjusted on any instrument, but some of it can't.  And you don't want to spend a lot of money on an instrument only to find after playing it a while that it's not to your liking.  You would be better off playing for a while, trying out a variety of different instruments, and slowly developing a sense of what your dream dulcimer is.  In a few years, if you are still playing and still enjoying the dulcimer, you'll know exactly what you want to spend your money on.

I also don't know how to quantify the differences in tone between dulcimers.  I have dulcimers that cost $300 and dulcimers that cost over $1000.  The more expensive dulcimers sound a lot richer and play a lot easier.  But 3 times as much? I have no idea.  If we are judging dulcimers by a ratio of their sound quality relative to their price, I would suggest the David Lynch beginner dulcimer to be the best dulcimer out there.  It does not have the rich, warm tone of dulcimers that cost ten times the price, but the intonation is excellent, the action is good, the instrument has a nice punch to it, and the price is about a third of a Ron Gibson.

Having said all that, both Ron Gibson and Bonnie Carol dulcimers have good reputations and good resale value.

 

notsothoreau
@notsothoreau
04/19/18 04:29:02PM
46 posts



Here's my two cent's worth (without knowing anything about Bonnie Carroll or her dulcimers):

For that price, I would expect it to be a work of art from a well known, well respected dulcimer maker. I would think this is the sort of instrument you would see and be willing to sell your first born for :). And you would be confident enough in your playing that you would feel it was a good fit for your style.

I have no idea wht my style is yet, so I am going for a good quality instrument, with good resale value if I upgrade at some date. You'll need to decide which instrument really speaks to you.
Aaron O'Rourke
@aaron-orourke
04/19/18 03:55:17PM
3 posts



Lisa Golladay:

There's a huge factor in the sound of a dulcimer that often gets overlooked: the PLAYER!  I'm not talking about skill level here (although we all know somebody who can take a $50 toy guitar and make it sound better than most people playing a Martin).  I'm talking about the wonderful variety of playing styles that make each of us unique.

I completely agree. I would add that an instrument can sound very different when passed around to players even with similar styles as their attack can vary significantly.

Lisa Golladay
@lisa-golladay
04/19/18 03:13:44PM
109 posts



There's a huge factor in the sound of a dulcimer that often gets overlooked: the PLAYER!  I'm not talking about skill level here (although we all know somebody who can take a $50 toy guitar and make it sound better than most people playing a Martin).  I'm talking about the wonderful variety of playing styles that make each of us unique.

Do you fret with a noter or your fingers?  Strum with a quill or a pick?  Flatpicking?  Fingerpicking?  Fingernails or pads?  At what angle does your pick/quill/finger strike the strings?  Do you have a light touch or are you digging in?  Do you play at a consistent volume or do you want a wide dynamic range?

Drones? Chords? Up the fretboard in the 2nd octave? Scale boxes across all the strings? Old time? Jazz?   

If we took one dulcimer and passed it around, each of us would make that dulcimer sound different.  Plus we all have different taste (and different ears).  Sometimes at a festival I'll play two dulcimers and hear a whole world of difference between them, while my poor husband (who does not play dulcimer) does not discern any difference at all (and hence does not understand the objective fact that I need to buy just one more).

I am sure there are people who think a Carol sounds 4X better than a Gibson... maybe 100X better... and people who think the Gibson sounds better. Depending on how you play and what you're listening for, there might not be any significant difference between them.

The often-inconvenient truth is that nobody else can tell you what a dulcimer sounds like.  You have to play it and hear it for yourself. 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/19/18 12:42:18PM
2,157 posts



I've played both instruments.  And I know Bonnie Carrol personally, from "the old days".  No, Bonnie's dulcimers do not sound 4x as good as a Ron Gibson, or anyone else's.  Price in dulcimers is not necessarily about quality of sound.  It's about materials and workmanship and perceived value (name among other things).  For example, a $100 set of tuning machines (compared to a $10 set), and $200 worth of exotic wood (compared to $20 worth of poplar) make a dulcimer more expensive but do not particularly contribute to making one sound better than the other.  There are a huge number of variables (well over a dozen) which contribute to the sound of a dulcimer. 


updated by @ken-hulme: 04/19/18 12:43:24PM
notsothoreau
@notsothoreau
04/19/18 12:38:14PM
46 posts



I have a Ron Gibson on layaway (which I think really helps you afford a better instrument.) I haven't seen the Bonnie Carol dulcimers, so can't compare. I suspect that it's not just the quality of the sound. You would have to decide if the craftsmanship is better as well.

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
04/18/18 10:23:54PM
448 posts

rebuilding a MD


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Sometimes the fiber washers are the culprit on that type of tuner.  There should be 2 to each tuner, and they tighten against the wood of the pegbox to hold the string in tune.  Try Ken's idea first -- it's easy and might do the trick.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/18/18 08:46:27PM
2,157 posts

rebuilding a MD


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No need to remove/clean/oil those tuners; just tighten them up say a quarter or half turn to start.  Then try things to see if they hold the tuning better.  If you crank down on them too hard you may break the "plastic" knobs (but replacements are cheap and easy to find).

jp
@jp
04/18/18 08:26:06PM
42 posts

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here are some pics of what i am dealing with... looks pretty simple but sometimes its the simple that gets ya.... i just want them to work smoothly and hold tune


old dulcimer tuners 2.jpeg old dulcimer tuners 2.jpeg - 82KB
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
04/18/18 07:57:44PM
1,565 posts

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jp, if you are able to post photos, it may help folks offer the most helpful advice.  

notsothoreau
@notsothoreau
04/18/18 07:31:28PM
46 posts

Pick paranoia!


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I did try a credit card pick, which seems to work better than the light ones I have. The trip to the music store will have to wait until the broke down pickup runs again :( Our mechanic's wife had surgery yesterday and it doesn't look like he will make it out today.

 

Thanks for the response! Every little bit of information helps.

jp
@jp
04/18/18 05:06:04PM
42 posts

rebuilding a MD


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

i have an old ... old... MD. i am restoring it only really needs a new bridge which i have from Folkcraft... will have to do some sanding to get it to fit....  it has what i believe are banjo friction mechanical tuning mechanisms they seem to semi hold the tone... i believe the screw holding the tuner head  on is how to tighten the tuner.... should i remove them clean and oil them... any other suggestions?  thanks kindly.


updated by @jp: 04/18/18 05:07:23PM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/18/18 04:58:35PM
2,157 posts

Pick paranoia!


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1.  Regular flat picks; with the exception of the Herdim "Thumb-Flat Pick" -- basically an ordinary sized flat pick with a thumb-sized loop. IMHO the best of both worlds -- the loop keeps the pick from flipping away.

2.  Heavier than light.  Beginners tend to use too light of pick; but with experience shift to a heavier pick and more control for less "pick-click".

3.  See #1

4.  Credit cards, thin wooden 'strummer' type plectra.

5.  Don't buy packages of picks online -- buy dozens of singles from your local music store.  Different weights, sizes, shapes, etc.  eventually you'll settle on a half dozen that you use all the time.

notsothoreau
@notsothoreau
04/18/18 03:33:15PM
46 posts

Pick paranoia!


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I've seen a few discussions about picks, but they seem scattered about on the forum. I thought it might be useful to have a discussion just about picks (or even why you don't use one.)

Regular picks versus finger picks?

Heavy picks versus light?

Any brands that you especially like?

Any non-commercial picks that you prefer?

What's your suggestions for choosing the right pick?

I grabbed a pack of Ernie Ball thin picks to start out with, but I am finding them much too light. I've got another brand ordered but will probably get a few more kinds to try.

 


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