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I went to my first English Country Dance last weekend.  I've been a Contra dancer for seven years now (!) so 'some' of the dance moves are similar, but i was surprised at how I had to get into a whole different approach.  I goofed up many many times, but everyone was very supportive and helpful.  The drive is a PITA...  75 minutes each way, with annoying detours due to two different closed bridges along the way...and driving back at 11pm in the dark on back road detours...ugh!  I did enjoy myself though and hope to go again. The music is particularly beautiful to listen to while dancing. 

I'd say English Country Dance uses about 1/3 of the energy of a lively contra-  it's serene and flowing compared to higher energy Contra dancing.  I had to remind myself to drink some water now and then.  In a contra dance, there's no way you would 'forget' to drink some water...lol!

This is an example of English Country dancing:

Did that, all the inner workings came out as you said, the part I'm having an issue with is the housing that it slips through, can't seem to get that loose. Don't know what to call that part exactly, don't know if it's supposed to screw together or if it just is pushed together. That's where  I don't want to do any damage.

This is where you can watch a live stream of one of the largest old time music festivals in America.

http://dtc3.tv/

schedule of events

http://smithvillejamboree.com/

Take the screw all the way out ,the peg will then come apart in pieces. The bushing will need pushed out from the opposite side.

I picked up a nice older,dulcimer recently, JI, equidistant, at some point someone modified it by putting these Grover tuners on it instead of leaving the original wood friction pegs, I am wanting to put the friction pegs back on My question, I know there is a bushing that holds them together. I am trying to not damage them when I remove them, is there a suggested way of pulling them? I already have the rest of the tuners disassembled, but want to send these Grovers to someone if I can remove them without damage. Thanks all!!   George

Thanks everyone. I'll consider leaving the frets as is. There's a luthier at Elderly Instruments who does any work I need done on my dulcimers. I'm going to have him look it all over and do whatever set-up it needs. The action needs to be adressed, probably frets leveled, and likely a new nut and bridge. Definitely needs new strings. It's intonation is really good, and it has a really nice voice. The body size is similar to a McSpadden, but it's voice is loud and clear. A warmer tone, with the all walnut body. It's birthdate is March 28, 1987. Definitely a cool dulcimer. Nicely made. A really nice gift from an old friend.

My undersstanding is tha Lazenby dulcimers are becoming quite collectable.  Like the others I recommend leaving the fret set up alone.

Bob retired somewhere around 2005 and closed his shop shortly after.  I haven't been able to find an obit though

Tessie, just so you know it's normal, I was playing a bit today. I mostly play in DAd but snuck in a tune in DAA. When I was tuning back up to DAd afterwards, my melody string broke.  Boing!  

Once I had a new string ready and my string winder by my side, it took just over two minutes for me to put on the new string and tune it up.  Obviously, I've been doing this for years, so it will take you longer, but there is nothing to be afraid of. Si se puede!

After looking at the picture it just may be Equal Temp but pictures can be deceiving. 

I agree with Rob as well. You might want to check its intonation. It may not be Equal Temperament. It might be in Just Intonation. I would definitely check that out before you start adding frets. If you already have dulcimers with the extra frets I would suggest you leave this one just exactly as is other than changing strings. 

I agree with Rob about adding frets.  I've heard of the Lazenby dulcimers but had never seen a photo of one until today.  IMHO, adding frets would reduce the intrinsic value of the instrument.  It is truly a beautiful dulcimer.

I don't want to sound like a Luddite or curmudgeon but I wouldn't have any frets added to that beautiful instrument.    Since, as you said, your other dulcimers have the "extra" frets, maybe you could keep this one intact to play in a more traditional manner?  Were it a McSpadden or a Folkcraft I might not suggest this, but it's nice to an individual maker's work kept as he intended.

I posted this on Everything Dulcimer, but got no responses. Maybe someone here might want to share some information.

Long story short.....a childhood friend (who I've only recently reconnected with via Facebook) has very generously gifted me a mountain dulcimer that was owned by her grandma. My friend received the dulcimer when her grandma died in the late 80's. Nobody in her family plays, so she wanted me to have and play it. It comes from Pigeon River Stringed Instruments, Bob and Anne Lazenby. 

I've found out a little through the internet, but would like know if anyone knows about the maker and the dulcimer (quality, etc.). I noticed Bob was a member on ED, but only made 4 posts and hadn't posted since 2012 ("Bob L"). I haven't received it yet (getting it today), but it sure looks beautiful. I'm planning on a complete professional set-up, after I receive it, and will add some extra frets to have it like my other dulcimers (6 1/2 and 1 1/2 for sure).

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I'll give a full report, once I receive it.

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Oh, that's okay, Maria.  I own four HSF, and that's a plenty for now.

While I practice with most all my flutes, my HS Bm is the go to flute.  I played two songs with it yeasterday, at an assisted living home.  The 20 or so people gave me lots of smiles and hand claps.  They realize I am new to this instrument, so they seem genuinely happy with my progress. 

When all of your flute playing is solo, there really no reason to have every key.  The HSF Bm is a wonderful key for others to sing along as you play.  Music is like a shot of energy to the residents.  Gotta love it.  And I do.

OH that is a real shame. He truly makes beautiful flutes. I know he emailed me about one that I was thinking of getting (a drone) and said that amazon has removed all of his flutes.....it's a shame as you said he's a nice guy. He's probably just not capable of "mass producing" for places like Amazon where the normal customers want their items in two days. 5 weeks is really a long time and I'm sorry it didn't pan out for you.

You can't beat high spirits. I really am enjoying mine. I'm getting to love my gm more and more. It's funny it seems that they have to be almost worked into...maybe it's just getting them "broken in" like shoes lol!!

Much success on all your next flute buying purchases and I'm sorry that something I recommended didn't work out...

Take care

Maria

It's all okay, Lexie.   I needed another flute like I need a hole in my head.  

Terry, sorry your flute order didn't turn out and hope James gets better.

I really like High Spirits and hope you get your new flute soon.

Maria

I cancelled my flute order yesterday.  James opened the door to this decision,  since two weeks turned into 5 weeks.  

I like James, and have no I'll feelings.  He's been real busy and had an eye injury. 

I'm probably going to stick to High Spirits flutes.

Agree with Dusty.  Don't go having frets added (jumping into the deep end) until you've been playing dulcimer a year or so, and have some basics down pat.  You really don't need them to play that song.  You do need to learn to tune and re-tune your dulcimer without distress, learn the basics of strumming and fingering, etc. first.   Leo is a great teacher

Tessie, that's a great old clip of your grandmother.  How wonderful that you have that recording to keep your memory of her singing alive.

Leo Kretzner is a great player and a wonderful teacher.  I strongly advise working with him. And please tell him I said hello, too.  Leo not only plays the dulcimer but really understands music theory and how to teach.  You will be in good hands.

If you are playing the chorus beginning on the middle string at the fourth fret tuned DAd, you can also play it beginning on the melody string on the first fret (1-1-3-4-5-5-5-4-3-1). You are playing in Em.

Personally, since I play across all the strings and chord, I would play the song in that key either by tuning to DAd and putting a capo at the first fret or by tuning to GDg, where the melody would start on the first fret of the middle string.

Whether a song is major or minor is determined by the third note of the scale.  If the major third is used, the song is in the major key. If the minor third is use the song is in the minor key (unless we're talking the blues, for that is another beast.)  Let me explain this first in the key of C.  Picture a piano keyboard.  If C is the first note of the scale, D is the second, and E is the third.  Between the C and the D are two half steps (from C to C# and from C# tto D) or one whole step.  Then from D to E we see another two half steps (from D to D# and from D# to E) or one whole step. So a major third is made up of two whole steps.  But the minor third of C is Eb, which is made up of one whole step (from C to C# to D) and one half step (from D to Eb).

On the dulcimer fretboard, notice that you have fat and skinny frets.  A fat fret represents a whole step and a skinny fret represents a 1/2 step.  So on your D string, the second fret represents the major third (two whole steps), an F#.  If you want to get a minor third from an open D string, you need that 1-1/2 fret (one whole and one half step), an F.

But elsewhere on the fretboard we can find that pattern of a fat fret and then a skinny fret, which is why you can play the song beginning on the 4th fret of the middle string or the first fret of the melody string. However, the rest of the scale may not correspond to the minor scale. This is where a discussion of modes is necessary, something Ken or someone else is better equipped to handle.

Finally, let me make a comment about the common misconception that keys themselves correspond to a certain vocal range. That is just not the case.  Different melodies have different vocal ranges.  Some are called "authentic" because the melody falls between the 1st and 8th notes of the scale. But other melodies are called "plagal," and in such melodies the first note of the scale is in the middle of the melody's range (an obvious example is Happy "Birthday").  The point here is not the terminology--which I encourage you to ignore--but the idea that different songs have different ranges, and one song in D might actually be many tones higher than another song in D, depending on the specific tonal range of the melody.  So perhaps one song is too low for you to sing in D and feels more comfortable in G, but that will not be the case for every song.

I know this is a lot to take in, but there is a reason why people usually start on the dulcimer playing "Go Tell Aunt Rhody" or "Bile Dem Cabbage Down" rather than other songs.  Since I'll be taking my daughter to the pool later, let me use that metaphor.  Starting with those basic songs mentioned above is like taking those easy steps into the shallow end of the pool. Starting the dulcimer by asking whether you should tune to D or G, and by stating that you want a 1-1/2 fret, and that you want to play a specific song in a minor key, you are jumping into the deep end. It might seem overwhelming at first, but just try to tread water for now; you'll be doing the butterfly and the Australian crawl soon!

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Yes, Ken, as Rob explains you would have an F in DAG. You would also have it in DAC. But the first thing we have to do here is establish what key the song is in. Tessie's comment that she has no F in DAd but in GDg she would demonstrates that confusion.

The song is actually in a minor key.  You can find the melody on the melody string very easily in DAC: 1-1-3-4-5--5--5-5-4-3-1.  There we have an F natural at the third fret. And yes, as has been stated you could also play in in DAG if you start on the fourth fret of the melody string.

If you want to play the song in DAd, you would do so in Bm, with the melody starting on the first fret of the middle string.  Then you don't need an F natural. You could play it the same way in GDg but you would be in Em.

Tessie, learning to string your instrument is a hurdle you will overcome.  You can do it now or you can do it later, but either way, once you learn how to do it, it will be easy and you'll wonder why you were so nervous about strings to begin with.  IF you do go to a music store for your instrument to be restrung, watch what they do and do it yourself next time.  Most musicians who play regularly change strings every few months.

I believe, Ken, straight F would be on the 6 and F# on the 6+.  And you know, I'll bet "Which Side Are You On" would sound really good in that tuning.

Agree, Tessie, don't be afraid to re-tune or break a string. It'll happen soon enough.  It happened to me right before the last workshop I taught.  However, like a dummy, I didn't have any extra strings for that dulcimer.  Get a set; keep 'em in the case and laugh when it happens.  

Correct me if I'm wrong, guys.  But if she tuned down to DAG, instead of Gdg, would she not get a "straight" F on the 6+ fret??  That would keep the song in D without any messy taped on partial frets.

Tessie -- learning to re-tune is a fundamental skill that all dulcimer players need to master.  Most of the time you're only changing the melody string(s).   The other fundamental skill you need to master is changing strings...

Tessie, you are now asking a different kind of question.  You are correct that if you need an F, you will not get it in a DAd tuning without a 1-1/2 fret.  

But I think you need to understand keys before moving on. And I apologize if you do; that just hasn't come out in this conversation.  In DAd tuning, you will almost always play in the keys of D or Bm. You can play in G or A, but it is not nearly so easy.

When you tune to GDg, you will most likely be playing in the key of G.

But before going any further, figure out what key your grandmother's music is in.  I don't think you would need an F in the key of D.  Rather than try to play in C or F or whatever out of a DAd tuning, you should transpose the song to the key of D and you should be able to play it very easily.  (ALternatively, if the song is in C you could just tune down to CGc.)

How doy you tell what key the music is in?  Next to the treble clef sign and the time signature will be a number of sharp signs.  If there are none, the song is in the key of C. If there is one, the song is in the key of G.  If there are two, the song is in the key of D. If there are three, the song is in the key of A. And so forth.

My guess is that the music you are looking at is in the key of C, so there will be no sharps or flats in between the treble clef sign and the time signature.  If that is the case, then you merely play one note above the note that is indicated. So if you see a C, you play a D; if you see a D, you play an E; if you see an E, you play an F (technically an F#); if you see an F, you play a G, and so forth. There are no "accidentals" in this song so if you play in the key of D you will not need any extra frets other than the 6-1/2.  (And if you don't have a 6-1/2 fret, then tune DAA and you'll still be able to play it.)

I hope that makes sense. You will drive yourself crazy using standard music notation in one key and trying to play it on the dulcimer always tuned to D.

Who's 'Emily Dickinson', asks one of the great unwashed. :)

Never mind, I looked her up. Probably not a good role model other than the number she produced vs had published.

Well, I guess I'll be bold and go first.  I don't dislike it, but I ain't crazy about it either.  Seems to leave out something, but I ain't sure what.  I'll think about it.

The middle string s/b 'd' not 'D'. The big 'D' is the one below middle C, the lower case is the one just above middle C. You would be looking at Gdg, not GDg. The easiest way to remember is do the strings in order, either up or down.The Strothers calculator usually is a bit on the light side. 

The layout on the calculator popup is lower notes [larger strings] to the bottom and higher notes [small strings] to the top, all in the right order.

As far as the 'F' goes, try taping a 2" straightened paper clip or a toothpick in place as a temporary fret. If you have access to a micrometer/caliper, frets are about .040"-.043" high.

Irene, they do still sell them:

https://www.grotro.com/Grover/DULCIMER-TENOR-GUITAR-VIOLIN/Sta-Tite-Dulcimer-Pegs-Set-of-4

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003Z9INO8/ref=s9_dcacsd_bhz_bw_c_x_1

https://reverb.com/item/1562675-grover-champion-sta-tite-dulcimer-banjo-pegs-set-of-4-rosewood-buttons-870br

http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Grover+Pegs+for+Banjo+or+Dulcimer+Rosewood+Buttons+870BR

--Just be sure to get the  870BR model-  the R means the buttons are rosewood.  They come also with black plastic buttons which are a little cheaper- the plastic ones don't have the BR after the model number.  The metal parts are silver colored, as I believe they've always been.

Ken, I have seen Frank SR. Dulcimers ,but, haven't seen any of Frank jr,'s . like I said that was just an option on a possible meaning of the logo. 

It doesn't look at like any Frank Proffitt instrument I've seen. Depending upon how the metal friction pegs were added, replacement with wood pegs may be relatively easy. If violin pegs do not fit, you may need to move to viola pegs. Also, if the taper of the whole was destroyed, that will need to be fixed. There are a number of ways to do that. I just looked at the other thread. If the reason for thinking that these tuners were added because of the holes all the way through the peg head, then I suggest rethinking the idea that this dulcimer originally had wood pegs. The early dulcimers I made required a hole through both walls of the peg head in order to put in those pegs. The space between the walls was not wide enough to slip the string end of the tuner in the hole. I could only assemble the tuner if I had a hole straight through both walls.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

I know this would be a long shot,but, looking at the logo. The logo looks to be made up of letters interconnected.  the top two looks like FP and the bottom of the logo looks like a JR.   Doubt that it is his ,but, Frank Proffitt Jr. was making dulcimers ,but don't have any idea what his dulcimers looked like. He lived in Todd ,NC  but could have been in Statesville . Like I said just a long shot.

thanks sooo much for this info.  I went on line to see if they still sold these kinds of tuners.  nope.  but would like to see what you have FOR SURE.  We'll communicate some more on this.  aloha, irene

I'd love to see a followup photo of this dulcimer after you've put on wooden tuning pegs and fixed it all up, George.  It's sweet!  

Hi Irene,

 I would not ask very much, they seem to be working just fine, all I had to do was tighten the screw at the top of the wood button on each was all.

 I have ordered a set of ebony friction pegs for it, when they arrive and I've switched them out I'll let you know.

 I will send you the other pegs up front so you can check them out "in hand" before paying for them just so you can be sure they are in working order.

 i'll keep you posted, should be about midweek before the others arrive.

 I also had an older McSpadden with these same tuners, other than needing to tighten the top screw every now and then, never had an issue with them.

Yes i had a dulcimer once with those same Grover pegs...it was probably my McSpadden which I gave to my daughter long ago.  As I recall one of them broke on me early on and I had to replace it.  They were not very expensive when sold new.  I would hesitate to pay a lot for used ones, as they might fail.

these are typical grover tuners.  back in the day mc spadden had them make these with the rosewood buttons.  later on grover

shipped me a quantity of tuners with the rosewood buttons.  they may still make them.....its worth a try

sorry I have no real insights  on how to make the most of the week because I stay close to my campsite after session 4 each day..no night  time activities at all...but  I'm at White Acres site 5 and will be at the school Sun 5-ish also.

For anyone else headed to KMW who's wondering about "Sunday afternoon"...the Best Western "General Nelson Inn" has told us that our rooms won't be ready until 4 or 4:30 or so....So they're making the event building (in back of the motel behind the pool) available to give us a place to congregate, jam, talk, etc.  So it will be sort of a "meet and greet" before we head over to Bardstown Elem. at 5pm.   The school is just 2 blocks from the Gen. Nelson and the Stephen Foster Restaurant is next door if you want a convenient place for supper. 

OK, so this is my first KMW and I'm all set up at the state park, site #13.   Anyone with wisdom on how to get the most out of this week, drop in and let me know.   Jan already shared some helpful thoughts about Sunday afternoon, thanks!