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Strumelia
@strumelia
08/19/15 11:40:42AM
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Playing the Bones


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Only if the deadline is Sept 14th, and video doesn't have to be more than 1 min long.  And can be full of screwups.  

AND, that we can just embed the vids in this thread instead of throwing them the main video section.   lolol...  how does all that sound?

 

Bob I'm now suspecting that you are a secret virtuoso spoons player, unbeknownst to everyone here.  dull

 

Bob Reinsel
@bob-reinsel
08/19/15 11:26:12AM
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Playing the Bones


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Here's a challenge for you.  If you post a video of you playing bones, I'll post one of me playing spoons.  What do yout think?

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/19/15 10:14:05AM
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Playing the Bones


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Once I can get through just maybe a minute or two of rattling without totally screwing it up and falling on my face, i will try to make a little sample, Bob!  If only to help encourage others to be accepting of their beginner skills.  nod     But of course as we know, I could do just great for a few minutes, then turn on the camera and suddenly I can't do a single thing!   -always a frustration...   ;D

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/19/15 09:44:31AM
2,157 posts

New Noters Coming


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Fun in the workshop!  I just got a package of Noter blanks that I'll be working on this weekend.  Two each of (left to right) Bloodwood, Purpleheart, Padauk, Yellowheart and Wenge.  All are much harder than the usual run-of-the-mill hardwoods.

 

Bob Reinsel
@bob-reinsel
08/19/15 09:08:49AM
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Playing the Bones


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Strummelia, we want to hear you play!


updated by @bob-reinsel: 08/19/15 09:09:06AM
marg
@marg
08/19/15 02:39:02AM
620 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

My dulcimer handbook, i revisited and went over it's info on tunings and it's starting to make sense.

Any idea how many tuning there are, or could be?

When I was playing a song in DDDG,  I notice the melody line tab was also DAd.  Haven't checked yet if it was just that one song or you can play with either tab.

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
08/19/15 01:04:44AM
402 posts

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I finally located a name for what I'm doing (using one tuning--DAd--but playing in different keys).  Gary Gallier refers to this as "Cross Key Tuning". If anyone wants to know more about that they can contact me or Google Gary Gallier and look up the topic on his website (it's one of the main tabs).  He even has 2 pages of all the scales for the different keys that work with the DAd tuning.  Note: many of the scales require a 1.5 fret.  'Nother Note: You will NOT, therefore, be playing in the traditional way.  But you will live and it will be OK.

 

Stephanie Stuckwisch
@stephanie-stuckwisch
08/18/15 09:01:56PM
45 posts

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I learned to play Ionian. Then I discovered Aeolian. It's my favorite.

Stephanie Stuckwisch
@stephanie-stuckwisch
08/18/15 08:58:50PM
45 posts

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Lisa Golladay:
How about 4-equidistant strings?  Even more options that way. I use DAdd, DAdc, DAdA, DAA#d (chromatic) and DGdd (which is really cool: a traditional G-Ionian with an extra low D at the bottom) I just got a cigar-box tenor guitar.  4 strings tuned DGbe... or DGBd... or DGAd... or DAAd... or DF#Ad... or ... ?  I can't decide, except I know I want an open tuning.  Any suggestions?  Is ARRGH! a tuning?  I'm pretty sure I've played that one a lot!

Funny you should ask about ARRGH. Look up the song 'Key of R'.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/18/15 07:36:35PM
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Add a video will not accept Youtube Link?


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

Ken, just copy and paste the ENTIRE url from your browser window (not from the Youtube 'share' or 'embed'' codes).

 

For example, one of mine would look like this:

 

https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPnwFWvErE

 (without the space after https: )

-that's the "URL" they are looking for.  The clue here is the error message: "unable to extract youtube id from url"...so it's telling you the URL is not correct.  You are trying to paste in a youtube share code, not an URL.  It wants the URL (web address of the video)

OR, to directly give it the "youtube id"..... i think you could also paste in the actual YT vid ID#,
which in the above case would be: okPnwFWvErE


updated by @strumelia: 08/18/15 07:40:57PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/18/15 05:35:54PM
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Playing the Bones


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Tom, I see you over on MinstrelBanjo site.    banjo

 

That's a lot to learn all at once!

Ken Backer
@ken-backer
08/18/15 04:21:06PM
31 posts

Add a video will not accept Youtube Link?


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

Anybody... When I try to add a vido, it will not accept the copy and past of the Youtube link, nor will it accept the link if I type it in.  I get the message "unable to extract Youtube ID from url".  Am I missing a step on this new site?

Cheers Ken


updated by @ken-backer: 02/17/16 11:25:07AM
Cynthia Wigington
@cynthia-wigington
08/18/15 04:14:53PM
74 posts

Tenor Guitars


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Thanks Rob. It's getting tougher to find any sweet spot. Glad you played along on dobro, it's the highest compliment.

 

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
08/18/15 04:12:03PM
420 posts

Tenor Guitars


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Nice, Cynthia.... so you're in Bb?  it fits your voice well.  Got out my dobro.... played along.

Cynthia Wigington
@cynthia-wigington
08/18/15 04:01:36PM
74 posts

Tenor Guitars


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New link to St. Louis Blues by WC Handy:

 

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
08/18/15 03:35:45AM
402 posts



Good suggestions, Kristi!  I like to receive my instruments wrapped in cotton cloth (part of an old sheet or several old T-shirts will do).  Then, whatever packing material is used doesn't come in direct contact with the instrument.

marg
@marg
08/18/15 03:29:53AM
620 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Yes, all OK.

    I enjoy the dulcimer, the known and the unknown, the simple and the complex. I am different than I was and yet, I am the same. My playing was nothing and now it is something and one day will be something else, hopefully better than the day before. Much in music I don't know but I know it's warms my heart & soul and it draws me into it's web.

  I'm content    -     'and that's OK'

ps: I counted about 36 tunings mention in the post, yes we are all different and each very unique. It's been a good discussion and a new interesting discovery.

Wout Blommers
@wout-blommers
08/18/15 03:21:08AM
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Playing the Bones


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Playing the clappers or bones isn't easy to learn, because it is a psycho-motoric thing. Even when you have some success creating a roffle, the next day it is less or even gone. Your body needs a good night sleep 'learning it'. Most of the time an introduction to the bones is given during a gathering or a situation like that, during your body will get a lot of information to cope with during the night after. Better is to get the instruction, just only playing the bones, in the beginning of the evening and a couple of hours later to go to bed and take a good night sleep.

And, most important, the older your age, the slower and longer the learning curve...


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Jan Potts
@jan-potts
08/18/15 02:54:15AM
402 posts

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Marg, I'm glad you can appreciate the variety of ways people make music with their dulcimers--the "many differences that can be achieved by eaçh person" as you kindly put it.  I have a friend who can not only not sing or play an instrument, but is also unable to recognize what tune is being played--even something as simple as Happy Birthday to You or Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.  He can hear the music just fine, but his brain does not process it--does not assign any meaning to the different tones.  If I were playing Carnegie Hall and had a ticket for him, he'd tell me to give it to somebody else, because it would just be a long boring evening for him. 

Another friend has always loved music, but nothing about learning it made any sense to her.  She figured she would, therefore, never be able to play a musical instrument.  Then she encountered the dulcimer, which provides a variety of learning choices.  She discovered numbered tab and quickly realized that because the numbers made sense, she could play this instrument --and now, after just a few years, she is a VERY good player. 

Now, I carry music around in my being and in my soul--I expect to be able to pick up an instrument and with a little experimentation play whatever pops into my head--not proficiently, of course, but I can get the music from my head to the instrument (most instruments I've tried, at least) in a recognizable fashion without tab, numbers, standard music notation, etc.  For me, a lot of my learning involves finding out what it is that I'm doing, so that I can make sense out of things like chord charts, etc. Playing from tab is actually quite difficult for me.   I had someone hand me a sheet of tabbed out music the other day and in the midst of struggling to read the tab and get my fingers on exactly the right frets and move cleanly from chord to chord (with all the notes in between) I suddenly realized that I had written out that tab, years ago!  That sure made me laugh!

Yep, we're all different--and some of us are "differenter" than others! laughlaugh   dancecool joyjoy   and that's OK!

5kwkdw3
@5kwkdw3
08/18/15 02:16:32AM
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Lisa Golladay: There's nothing wrong with picking one tuning and sticking with it.  No worries. 

 

That's a very good idea and I think I'll stick with that one.  I remember early on that just the difference in DAd and DAA was enough for that one string change as to not really be good for either.  If the string was bought as appropriate for the lower A, then it very nearly came to breaking and poking my eye out in the process (I always flinch when I hear a string about to break and yes "you can tell" after you break enough of them).  Or if you start the other way and get a string appropriate for the higher d, then when detuned to the lower A, the string is very sloppy and the sound not the best in the world up to and including basically unplayable.  One last attempt, because by golly the darn books say you can swap tunings all over the place and I bought a string more appropriate for a middle of the range note of B and or C territory.  Now I asked for assistance back then and found that for the string length I was utilizing and the notes desired, the B or the C pitch ended up being the same gauge so I was indeed in the middle.  I first tuned to the lower A and gave that a try.  Still way to loose and sloppy.  Sounded more like a rubber band and cigar box type of thing.  Then I cranked it up to the higher d and found that I was not flinching as much, but the string was different in feel and hard to finger the higher fretted notes because of the increased tension.  Yep that's another thing to consider.  The tighter the string tension, the thicker the calluses you'll end up with if you can even fret the higher notes.  So the string tuning change was out the window as far as I was concerned and I began thinking of another answer to the problem of playing in two different modes without the hassle of tuning up to or down to the desired pitches.

 

Now folks with a current outbreak of DAD will appreciate this (there are equivilant diseases in the gun shop and are contagious let me tell you)  That is, buy one dulcimer for each and every mode you'll ever think you might play in.  If you feel that getting different dulcimers a disservice to your learning to play, then buy similar models of dulcimer, but get different looking woods to shake things up a bit.  Mama's or spouses if the other way around don't apparently like this disease at all.  Nonetheless I had what I needed to explore the "other modes" and found that putting all of my effort into one mode had a direct result in producing a better player in that given mode.  The more I spread myself around the less I actually learned.  OK at many but good on none it seemed to be.  So now with over 46 years of musical experience from that very first day on the clarinet to now and many many instruments inbetween I can safely say that I want to concentrate my efforts solely on DAd (actually GDg, but still Mixalydian and the 158 ratios) and just watch my skills increase.  I found the very same thing to be true when my brother and I were in the middle of our "Instrument Wars".  Once I got hooked on the Mandolin and it's family, I stuck with instruments that shared the same "fifths" relationship between strings.  My brother on the other hand chose to not only go beyond the imediate family of instruments, he went out of the box so to speak bringing in the like of bag pipes, bassoon, melophone, accordion, tenor sax, guitar, and the like with not one instrument having any such similarity between themselves.  Needles to say he had a massive slow down and finally had to deep six some of the instruments and just concentrate on a few that he had some aparent skills with.  Yep you change the dulcimer mode if even only the one melody string and you've changed the overall makeup of the instrument and therefore made another instrument that you have to teach yourself how to play.  The exception to this is if any or all strings tunings are changed yet the player is a noter drone player or owns a Tennesee Music Box with traditional fence staples just under the melody string(s).  Then you are only required to play that one string and the others just come along for the ride so it doesn't really matter (other than sound) what they are tuned to or the relationship between them and the melody string   Kevin.

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
08/18/15 01:31:42AM
402 posts

Playing the Bones


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Mike Anderson tried to teach me to play the bones once--whew!  Maybe if I'd had a set of my own, I would have practiced and caught on eventually, but at that time (with Mike) I just wasn't getting it!

I liked that sculpture, too, Wout!

marg
@marg
08/17/15 09:58:17PM
620 posts

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(Tuning a Dulcimer using a Keyboard )

wow, this is so simple, so great to see it like this. I am a visual person, so I will be keeping the tabs. No, I don't paint by-numbers but I do paint. Enclosed is a quick small drawing of a heron fishing, if only I could jazz up my playing lke I can throw things into a piece of art.

Thanks for the site for this illustration.


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Sheryl St. Clare
@sheryl-st-clare
08/17/15 06:35:02PM
259 posts

Playing the Bones


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I read walnut bones have a mellow sound. So that's the wood I picked. We'll see. 

Wout Blommers
@wout-blommers
08/17/15 06:27:22PM
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Playing the Bones


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Looked the video twice: 1e information, 2 film technique. Love the sculpture in the background: it visualise the sound of the bones :-)

I don't think there was much editing in the film, because there are view point changes without any disrubtion of the spoken word, so at least 4 camera's were used: 1 fixed creating the overview and 3 hand held for each musician. That's a lot in a small room, where also the mic's and recording gear had to be in. What also surprises me is the sound of stamping feet on the wooden floor, which is completely gone when playing the song, although Hubby and Dom are moving as before... Just an observation, which I always do watching information video's on the internet: what's manupulated and what isn't.

Anyway, it is all about the bones, of course.

BTW Strumelia, can you hear the drop in the volume of the voices when the bones are playing? And Rhiannon admits their volume :-)

And there is indeed a lot of edited speech, although it is rather good work.


updated by @wout-blommers: 08/17/15 06:32:48PM
Lisa Golladay
@lisa-golladay
08/17/15 06:17:36PM
109 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

This page maps dulcimer tunings to the piano keyboard: http://www.get-tuned.com/dulcimer.php

We really are making this too complicated.  Tune the bass string to a note that sounds good.  This note is the key you will be playing in.  Then fret the bass string at the 4th fret and tune the other strings to that note (which is a 5th interval higher than the bass string).  That is how people tuned dulcimers for a hundred years. 

Here I am, someone who mostly plays chord/melody in DAdd, telling people to use Balis Ritchie's "bim-bim-BOM" tuning!  Honestly, these forums are wonderful but we send beginners on wild goose chases.  Tune DAA, put away the tab and chord charts, play a scale on the melody string starting on the 3rd fret, and listen to what happens.  Until you get to know the instrument and how it works, jumping around to new tunings and following paint-by-numbers tabs is just wasting your time.

Sheryl St. Clare
@sheryl-st-clare
08/17/15 06:07:36PM
259 posts

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One pair to start. I don't want to get two pairs the same, and since I won't be able to play with both hands in the beginning, I thought I'd wait to decide what to get for my second pair. But I would really love to eventually play with both hands. 

There may be a song about a banjo playing repo man... banjo

marg
@marg
08/17/15 05:49:52PM
620 posts

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It is interesting the many differences that can be achieved by eaçh person.

 

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/17/15 05:28:49PM
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marg:
I saw that Strumelia has her dulcimer tune an octave highter than mine also but she says she likes hers high and we would probably be an octave lower. Could it be if you play with a noter you are tune highter than if like me i cord or finger dance? Or is it I just like the sound of the lower octave?

 


Marg, I should clarify this...  I don't have all strings just tuned an octave higher- they'd break!   What I do is- I've removed my heavier Bass and Middle strings and exchanged them for what you might think of as all thin melody strings.  Those strings are then tuned in generally the same octave as my melody string.  In effect there is no more low octave bass string. 
So, if I wanted to play in the key of D in ionian... YOU would tune DAA, and I would tune dAA.  Then when I fretted the tonic note on my melody string it would sound like dAd...with the middle string A being the lowest note of those three sounding notes.   OR, I might tune it ddA, so that when I fret the third fret tonic note, the 3 strings would be playing ddd.  I explain a bit more about this here: http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-i-dont-use-bass-and-middle-strings.html


It's all a matter of personal preference of course.   Wonderful that we can all get so many different results and effects!  nod


 

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/17/15 05:19:59PM
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marg:
ken, In your article:  I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?   (Under 'Geting In Tune' - 'Which D is D') - The D which we use as the basis of all the D tunings, is D4 – one whole note above “middle C”. The A we use is A4 and the d we use is d5 ) Seems in DAd, my base D is tuned to the D below 'middle C'. The melody string is tuned one note above 'middle C'. I have not checked the dulcimer tuned DAA but would image it is also an octave lower than your tunings.      I go to a dulcimer practice group tomorrow and will have them check my tunings. Could be set up this way since I do like a more mellow sound not a bright sound and to tune the base string  to a D, 1 note above 'middle C' sounds way to high to me.  Or am I reading this wrong?

This keeps coming up every year or so.  Ken's article is great, but his numeric naming of the octaves is incorrect, by today's generally accepted standards of where 'middle C' is.  People keep pointing this out, and it really should be corrected.


If tuned DAd, the mountain dulcimer is tuned (low to high):  D3, A3, d4   The high melody string D4 is the note right above Middle C on the piano.  The Bass string D is the D note BELOW Middle C.


Here are some more online tuning aids:


http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-notes-do-i-tune-my-strings-to.html


updated by @strumelia: 08/17/15 05:31:22PM
robert schuler
@robert-schuler
08/17/15 04:57:11PM
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Speaking of tunings, this morning while playing swallow tail jig.  I. named a new tuning. I call it Abe Lincoln tuning. Actually it's E Dorian... strings are A B E... Get it...winky . After all we have Calico, Sawmill, Cumberland Gap tuning... Robert.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/17/15 04:50:25PM
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I'm excited for you Sheryl!   Did you get one pair or two?

I found it almost impossible to practice to varying music and tempos at first, but I seem to be a bit more able to at least try varying tempos now.  I agree, it's great advice to just practice with all kinds of music, whether you're good at it or not doesn't matter...I'm sure it really helps build our skills.   :)

I have a beautiful repro minstrel banjo made by the same builder, James Hartel, that made the one Rhiannon is showing there.  Mine is a different model type though.  Rhiannon has such a graceful way about her hands when she plays banjo and other instruments...it's a real individual thing. 
Sheryl- I had to chuckle when you wrote repo banjo (as in repossessed) instead of repro (as in reproduction)  ;)  Jim Hartel told me he custom made her banjo for her, so we'll assume it was not repossessed.  Mine however might have been, I can't be sure!   giggle2


updated by @strumelia: 08/17/15 05:37:02PM
Sheryl St. Clare
@sheryl-st-clare
08/17/15 04:32:08PM
259 posts

Playing the Bones


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Great video Lisa, thanks for sharing. Very interesting repo banjo. I love how Dom points out that you can play along to any music on the radio. I already do that with my empty hand, while driving. My bones should arrive tomorrow. Can't wait!

marg
@marg
08/17/15 04:11:42PM
620 posts

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I saw that Strumelia has her dulcimer tune an octave highter than mine also but she says she likes hers high and we would probably be an octave lower. Could it be if you play with a noter you are tune highter than if like me i cord or finger dance? Or is it I just like the sound of the lower octave?

marg
@marg
08/17/15 03:58:56PM
620 posts

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ken,

In your article:  I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?   (Under 'Geting In Tune' - 'Which D is D') - The D which we use as the basis of all the D tunings, is D4 – one whole note above “middle C”. The A we use is A4 and the d we use is d5 )

Seems in DAd, my base D is tuned to the D below 'middle C'. The melody string is tuned one note above 'middle C'. I have not checked the dulcimer tuned DAA but would image it is also an octave lower than your tunings.

     I go to a dulcimer practice group tomorrow and will have them check my tunings. Could be set up this way since I do like a more mellow sound not a bright sound and to tune the base string  to a D, 1 note above 'middle C' sounds way to high to me. 

Or am I reading this wrong?

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/17/15 03:27:18PM
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Playing the Bones


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I just found this nice video with some good bones history:

Lisa Golladay
@lisa-golladay
08/17/15 02:10:21PM
109 posts

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5kwkdw3:
...One book I had there were only two songs that were in the same mode.  Every song had it's own unique mode to play it in.  Now maybe that book was an introduction to those varioous modes, but as a book, it stunk big time.  That's what I don't understand.  Kevin...

When I started playing MD back in the last century, I had several books like that.  Those books WERE written specifically for the purpose of introducing beginners to the various modal tunings.  Expectations and playing styles have changed a lot over the last 30 years, but a lot of the same books are still on the market. 


 


I never saw a book of all-DAd tab until post-2000.  And when I saw it, I wondered "why in the world would anybody pay money for that?"  It takes all kinds.  I agree with you about ED and other online resources: we're lucky to live in a time when lots of materials are available on the internet and we are all free to learn what we want.


 jive


As for the main topic of this thread:  It's worth noting that sometimes you retune because you want a different mode (DAd vs DAc) and sometimes you retune for a different key (DAd vs CGc) and still other times you retune for a special effect (DAd vs Ddd). Or maybe you don't retune at all.  There's nothing wrong with picking one tuning and sticking with it.  No worries. 


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Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
08/17/15 12:57:16PM
1,333 posts

Using a mic for recording a song?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thanks Jim. I appreciate you comment.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

marg
@marg
08/17/15 11:46:22AM
620 posts

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Yes, just changing 1 string Isn't bad- I have no trouble going from DAD or DAA  but I ran into problems on where to start for the DDDG. I have it where it sounds good but can't say for sure it's right, I have the G on the bass. I will check out the videos when I get home - stuck  now at the dealership. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/17/15 11:19:08AM
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Ken Hulme: ....tells you how to change from one tuning to another, among the four most common Modal tunings.  All you do is change one string...

Here is a video I made demonstrating how I change back and forth between the four most common dulcimer modes (mixolydian, aeolian, ionian, and dorian) in the key of D, by changing the tuning on just the melody string. Sometimes seeing it done feels less complicaed than describing it.


Here's my blog post of it:


Retuning between the modes


 


and the video itself (r.i.p my kitty Pearl):


 



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