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Dana R. McCall
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11/26/12 03:34:38PM
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I don't know what I'm doing half the time Kimberly. LOL Never know till i'm done. Where do you teach an art class? I used to volinteer at the Jr High to be a teachers aid in art class when they had a sub or needed help. I really enjoyed it.

Kimberly M. said:

Wow, Dana! Very cool! I need you to come here to Memphis to teach my art class. I have no clue what I'm doing. lol.

Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
11/26/12 11:03:07AM
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John as soon as it's finished I'll post a full pic of it so the whole picture can be seen at once. Thanks

john p
@john-p
11/26/12 10:20:32AM
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Very well executed Dana.

A longer range shot showing the overall design would have been nice

john

Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
11/26/12 10:05:46AM
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Not trying to advertise on the site but i do commission work if anyone is interested. Graphite pencil portraits and houses or building. Pets and animals, acrylic paint, graphite pencil and watercolor pencil. Message me if interested. You can check out my art work on my FB page under albums or some of my work is on here under my photos. Thanks. Dana

Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
11/26/12 09:05:07AM
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Thanks Susie and Patty

Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
11/26/12 08:47:01AM
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Dana, that is absolutely gorgeous!!!

Susie
@susie
11/26/12 06:09:41AM
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You sure are talented. My drawing ability stops at stick people. I have alot of respect for people who are artistic like that. Keep it up.
Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
11/25/12 07:40:15PM
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That's a neat idea Garey, but i won't be hanging it in my house I have no room, all my walls are covered in dulcimers. lol Might put it for sale on Ebay and see what happens. Or stick it in the closet with the other pics. HAHA

Garey McAnally said:

Sooooooooo cool, Dana. It almost feels like you could reach out and touch the koi. I'm wondering where you will hang it. Sounds crazy, but it seems like you would naturally look at it from above. But, how would you display it on the floor??? Wouldn't it be neat mounted under the glass of a coffee table or a large tray.

Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
11/25/12 06:09:33PM
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Thanks Robin and Carrie.

Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
11/25/12 06:08:52PM
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helen I've been drawing and painting since I was 12 yrs old. I have some of my artwork posted in my pictures here. The one of the swan is the first thing I ever painted at 13. I stopped painting and drawing for a long time after I got married. Just doing little things here and there. I painted a heck of a lot of Demolition Derby cars and Mud trucks with cartoons for friends during that time. But didn't get back to painting things I wanted to till about 98. I have had no training or schooling in art. Just High School. I just love it.

Helen Seiler said:

Wow wow Dana. That is amazing. How many years BD (Before Dulcimer) have you been painting. You are a very talented artist and musician. Loved the pitter patter of paws in the background. (Sounds familiar) Helen
Robin Thompson
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11/25/12 05:23:11PM
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That's just cool, Dana!

Dana R. McCall
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11/25/12 04:50:19PM
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Been in the mood to paint the last few days, so my dulcimer hasn't had much attention. But I have been having fun indulging in my other hobby, my first love before my dulcimer. Painting! couldn't find my camera so I videoed what I been doing.


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Robin Clark
@robin-clark
11/28/12 04:28:18AM
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Nice collection! I sold reso ukes for a while a couple of years ago, which is how I found out about D tuning. I had a small batch made butcouldn't get the down pressure I wanted on the cone from GCEA so I had a chat with a friend of mine who has an original National from the early 30s and who is an expert on National guitars (I had copied the tail block off of his original National uke for the small run I had made). It was him who told me "Oh they used to play these in D not C", and that extra tone up to ADF#Bgave me the down pressure to really get the cones singing as I wanted.

Robin

Nigel Caddick
@nigel-caddick
11/28/12 03:50:38AM
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Yes, I have a couple I have concerts, tenors and baritones in high and low tuning, depending if If Im strumming or finger picking.....I do prefer low G though. My 8 string uke is really only a strummer with notes picked out, it's quite hard picking rolls with 3 fingers.

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
11/28/12 02:11:35AM
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The ukulele is typically played in a variety of keys, without changing tuning. The string to string relationship of both tunings is the same as standard guitar tuning, except for the high 4th string. I keep a low G on my tenor uke for more low notes, but if I want the high G, I can always borrow Mrs.Wanda's uke. It's nice having multiples in the house!

Paul

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/27/12 07:40:00PM
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Robin, I'm glad you jumped in here- you have lots of solid practical knowledge in this particular subject!

Robin Clark
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11/27/12 01:56:57PM
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Hi Nigel,

Yep - that's know as C tuning for ukes (C6 actually). Smaller ukes, particularly during the early part of the 20th century, were tuned a tone higher A,D,F#,B (D6) and played in the key of D.

Nigel Caddick
@nigel-caddick
11/27/12 01:40:32PM
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It would be great if they were in C...but they are GCEA tuned, not open....

By the way, the capo is great! Ta very muchly!

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
11/27/12 12:42:36PM
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No - they can just tune up from C to the old 1930s D tuning

Nigel Caddick said:

Ha ha, thank you Robin LOL

I will have to get the other 22 ukuleleists to buy capo's then.....

Nigel Caddick
@nigel-caddick
11/27/12 12:16:29PM
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Ha ha, thank you Robin LOL

I will have to get the other 22 ukuleleists to buy capo's then.....

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
11/27/12 12:10:32PM
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Oh I just love these multi-confusing questions

Nigel - You can actually get away with murder on a dulcimer working out of D,A,d with or without a capo to assist, unless the folks you play with go somewhere really weird like A# minor

You don't have to play full chords on the dulcimer - in fact many dulcimer 'chords' just contain two notes (0,0,0 for D or 3,3,3 for G are examples) so you can play in other keys with a bit of thought and simply miss out the notes you don't have and substitue a harmony note. For example:there's a C chord at 3,4,6 and an F chord (without an F) at 6,8,6 and a G chord at 3,3,5 and the relative minor (Am without the 3rd) at4,4,4. So you can strum along in the key of C adding the odd fill or partial melody from D,A,d.

You can also work melody over drones at a session(playing modal tunings) and the other instruments will fill in the chord changes while you hold the root and/or 5th of the primary key within your drones. This is my prefered method for sessions although it involves re-tuning. I also like to play on a short scale instrument tuned to highG,d,g - same chord shapes as D,A,d but with G as the home tuning as I feel this tuning tends to lift the instrumemt up over the top of the guitar (just personal preference).

With a standard set of string gauges and a bit of thought you can get pretty much into any key and scale (mode). And I would look at the dulcimer as an instrument of possibilities rather than restrictions

Of course, if most of the tunes you play with friends are in the key of C then you can always get the guitarist to put a capo on a fret 2 so you can all play in the key of D

Robin

Nigel Caddick
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11/27/12 07:53:10AM
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Oops....yes you're right.....

I think I meant to say to capo it up the the 3rd when it's in D....which would give me G....I think.......gettingconfused.com...LOL

I think I'll get a D stick with a capo for D & G and another stick in C......that should cover it....

We don't play any in Em I don't think....oh...Hotel California...just the one then.

Rob N Lackey
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11/27/12 07:34:34AM
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Actually, Nigel, capoing at the 3rd fret in CGcc tuning will give you F, not G. G would be the 4th fret since it's the 5th tone of the C major scale. Oh, and capoing on 2 will give you a nice E minor, too.

Rob

Nigel Caddick
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11/27/12 05:53:05AM
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Again, many thanks for all the advice you've taken the time to give me. As most of our songs are in the key of C, I've decided to tune my MD down a note to CGcc and then capo at the 3rd to give me G. This should embrace 85% of all the songs we do, so I shall use my uke for the others

I am in the process of deciding on a stick dulcimer and in which of the 3 scales to buy it in, this question has now been answered and it'll be a D scale too....many thanks for the advice, a lovely website this is too!

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/26/12 11:07:09AM
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Nigel, I just want to assure you that things will work out!

Sometimes it's even harder for a dulcimer beginner who already has some music experience and is used to playing in groups with various other instruments, in multi keys. It means you want/need to jump right in and play in various tunings and keys, rather than build slowly on simple skills first. People like yourself get frustrated because the diatonic dulcimer does not behave like the trusty guitar or uke- those darned missing frets! But don't worry (don't fret? lol) ... once you accept that the dulcimer is not a guitar or mandolin, and once you begin to catch onto uniquely dulcimerish solutions and the reasoning behind them, you be full speed ahead again! Believe me, it's not rocket science, and you are a smart man- take one step at a time and very soon the clouds will clear and smooth sailing for you.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/26/12 06:50:53AM
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HD28 -- you may want to look at a couple of articles here that I've written:

I Just Got A Dulcimer Now What? has an illustrated glossary, plus answers to many beginner questions about tuning, playing care and feeding of your dulcimer: http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/i-just-got-a-dulcimer-now-what

Uncontrite Modal Folker is a discussion of Modes and modal music and how they apply to the dulcimer (differently than they do guitar): http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/uncontrite-modal-folker

FWIW -- most dulcimer players of my acquaintance do not play "accompaniment chords" in a jam or elsewhere. They are playing chord-melody style -- one chord per note of the complete melody, not just one chord per measure of music.

Nigel Caddick
@nigel-caddick
11/26/12 04:18:39AM
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Thank you all for your reply's

I can now see that simply using a capo won't work, so it looks like buying at least one spare MD....and playing guitar or uke to the songs I can't use the dulcimer...

Many thanks, I now have food for thought...

Nige

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/25/12 10:22:09PM
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Nigel, others have provided some good information here, and I hesitate to add to the mix. You know what they say about too many cooks . . .

The most common keys in old timey and bluegrass jams are C, D, G, and A.

With your dulcimer tuned DAd or DAA, you are obviously in the key of D. You can put your capo at the third fret and you will be in G. You can put the capo at the fourth fret and play in A. In both those cases, the fingering youhave already learned will work fine, but you will simply be in a different key.

For C, tune your dulcimer one note down to CGc of CGG. Once again, everything you already learned for DAd or DAA will work except that you will now be playing in C.

Paul is correct that you can tune DGD to play in the key of G, and many people do that for certain songs. But the fingering will be different from what you are used to.

As Carey and Strumelia have explained, since the dulcimer is diatonic, the capo is more compicated than it is on chromatic instruments such as the guitar. You cannot simply put it on the first or second frets to change keys as you will also be changing modes. There are uses for the capo at those keys, but the fingering you already know will not work.

However, if you want to play your diatonic dulcimer in multi-instrument jams, you should get used to tuning to CGc or CGG and using the capo at the third and fourth frets. Here is a Bing Futch video where he teaches the fiddle tune Hangman's Reel in D and then demonstrates how to play it in G and A using the capo. (And if you listen during the closing credits you will hear a "minor" version of the song which is the same fingering but the capo at the first fret.)

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
11/25/12 09:30:41PM
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I find myself dropping the second string to G for songs in the key of G, That gives me a DGD tuning. The root is then on the middle string, rather than it's more common bass string location. Some call this a reverse tuning, for this reason. For songs in C, I usually tune to CGC, as Ken said above. If I lower my melody strings to G, they are a bit too loose for my liking. Very often I take a second instrument to jams to cover keys that are tricky with the string gauges I use. Most often, the second instrument is a guitar or banjo.

Paul

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/25/12 08:28:10PM
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To add to the explanations already given- using a capo only to go into different keys:

I'm just a guitar player, very new to theMD, so I'm used to using a capo, to quickly change keys, without retuning.

question...if Nigel is tuned to CGCC for ease of playing simple 3 chord songs in C, couldn't he just place the capo on the 2nd fret to play in E,capo at 3rd fret to play in F, or capo4th fret to play in G ?

A guitar is chromatic- it has all the half steps and all the frets to play in any key by moving a capo around.

If Nigel tuned CGCC and then put his capo on the 4th fret to play in G as you say- he'd indeed be playing in G, but in the dorian mode- anything he played would sound plaintive and sort of minor/sad, because the 'missing' dulcimer frets would mean some notes would be minor of flat sounding and create a whole different sound than what you'd want.

So you can't just do like a guitar player does with a capo.

Here's a fun little exercise I did a while back that shows how the mood of a song changes completely when you go from playing it in its normal mode to playing the exact same song in the Dorian mode- and you'd be getting the same results if you put a capo on the 4th fret:

http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2012/03/ghost-of-gray-goosego-tell-aunt-rhody.html

Ken Hulme
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11/25/12 04:31:10PM
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Yes... and no. I'm not one who plays with a capo. But I can see that if you capo at 2, from CGc you do get the strings tuned to EBe. But what you lose is the sequence of wide and narrow fret spacings that define the notes you'll get from that tuning. You no longer get do, re, mi, fa, sol, la... so you lose the scale.

Ken Hulme
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11/25/12 03:45:11PM
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Yep - to get up to F and G you need a different set of strings (especially the bass) than is used for C and D.

Nigel Caddick
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11/25/12 10:48:06AM
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Thanks Ken, that's what I meant, tune the strings down to C. It looks like that if I want to play the majority of songs we do at the club I will need to buy that other MD and maybe even another one for the songs in G......

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/25/12 10:38:51AM
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Don't de-tune to "the C chord" We call it tuning to Mixolydian Mode Key of C -- that would be CGc tuning. Basically tune every string down one note. DAd and CGc are what we call 1-5-8 tunings, and they all use the same tab. CGc, DAd, EBe, FCf and GDg are all 1-5-8 tunings. So if you have tab for one tuning/key you have the tab for all keys.

Nigel Caddick
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11/25/12 09:59:45AM
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Oh......

Our main key is C.......should I de-tune to the C chord? Then at least most of our songs will be covered....

Ken Hulme
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11/25/12 09:45:07AM
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No dumb questions, Nige; just ones we haven't answered yet.

Yes - if' you're tuned in DAd, you are playing in the key of D.

A capo is only of limited help in changing key, as others will jump in here and explain.

One simple answer to your second question is "you can't" - play through tunes in different key without re-tuning that is....

Unlike the guitar or mandolin, the dulcimer does not have all the notes available all the time. One Key at a time.

Nigel Caddick
@nigel-caddick
11/25/12 07:49:03AM
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Can I ask a dumb question?

My MD is tuned DAdd so all of the tunes I will be playing on it will be in D, yes? I also want to buy a stick dulcimer which will have similar tuning....I have bought a capo for the MD but haven't used it yet. My question is this:

Our club has a songbook with 50 standard songs in, I would say 60% of the songs start off in C, 30% in G and the remaining 10% in all sorts of keys, F or E maybe.

How would I play through all these songs without having to re tune the MD?

Thanks for your time...

Nige


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Mary Z. Cox
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11/27/12 07:48:00AM
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Throw in a few more bucks and you can order one of the mid range McSpaddens and select your own favorite woods. Also, David at Modern Mountain Dulcimers, makes a regular sized dulcimer where the back and sides are some kind of red wood -- that sounds and plays really nice.Also, several folks on this list and myself have all ordered dulcimers from Mike Clemmer and although you will pay a few more bucks-- you will get to choose your woods and style which lets you have a more special dulcimer. Also-- I have two of Paul Conrad's intarsia dulcimers-- which play and sound good too-- take a look and listen to some of my video clips here to hear and see them. Getting to know Paul is worth the extra bucks :)Hope this helps,Mary Z CoxPs. IMHO 300 buys a good beginning dulcimer, 400--700 an excellent intermediate dulcimer, 700 + -- you get into pro models and very special dulcimers :)
Susie
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11/27/12 06:26:41AM
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I have noticed quite a few McSpaddens on Ebay lately.
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